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Parminder,</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(80,0,80)">Thanks for the opportunity to clarify.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Thanks for this effort. <br>
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As often and variously discussed on this list, terms like
'equitable multistakholder policy development model' are very
problematic unless we have some basic definition of what is meant
here, and it clearly excludes decision making on public policy
issues... </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not sure why you think decision making on public policy issues should be excluded from mutistakeholder model or mechanisms, whatever their formal or theoretical definition (but based on our common understanding or the meaning we commonly ascribed to that term when we use it in this Ig context.) Do you mean that policymaking is the exclusive role of the government or intergovernmental bodies? If so, do you think this may have been so in some period in the history of human societies but that may evolve? And if so, would you accept the idea that such evolution may not necessarily be clean cut but from start but fuzzy and laborious and experimental at the beginning, and that it may be experimented in just one or a few sectors before extending to other domains of governance? </div>
<div><br></div><div>I may agree that at this point in history, governments ratify public policies, they have the final say, the ultimate authority to really enforce them to the extent that those policies are really public. But why public policies cannot be developed by all stakeholders (if that's your position)? And developing policies isn't that part of policymaking?</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you do mean to suggest that policymaking is the exclusive role of the government or intergovernmental bodies in this area of Ig, I'm afraid to say that from my understanding of past discussions on this list, that is unlikely to represent a consensus view. Then shall we go back there again?</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">This particular language should therefore be struck out.<br>
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Also, our communication , immediately after welcoming the decision
and complimenting US gov for it, </font><font face="Verdana">should</font><font face="Verdana"> upfront say that we are eager to know more details
- especially about (1) whether it means that ICANN would no longer
be under any contractual obligations with the US gov, and be in
independent control of the root zone server, and (2) what happens
to the issue of jurisdiction of incorporation of ICANN and it
being subject to US laws and such and (3) whether any conditions
would be imposed in 'freeing ICANN' and if so, of what nature....
</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, it is my understanding that USG has not by this decision opened negotiations with IGC and other Internet stakeholders. They were in a position and just announced they are willing to relinquish. As could be expected they want to have a say in or an eye on what will follow (no transition to intergovernmental arrangement plus the fours principles as guidelines.) For the rest they say ICANN has to develop a transition proposal which should include the details of what will follow. So I think apart from the 4 principles and the one litmus test they spelled out in the announcement, all your questions above can only be answered in the transition proposal to be developed with our participation and that of all other stakeholders. </div>
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<font face="Verdana"> And that we look forward to complete and real globalisation of
ICANN, in a manner that takes care of these issues..<br>
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Also, a minor point, about one but last para, governance
institutions do not have customers, only constituencies and the
such... <br>
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Thanks, parminder <br>
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<div>On Sunday 16 March 2014 02:40 AM,
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find a draft of the above subject for
your consideration and possible
revisions. This is just a first crack
attempted considering the speed of the
events. I'm cc'ing BB as a peer
organization with same concerns.</div>
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noon, UTC.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(80,0,80)">IGC
Draft Press Release</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On March 14, U.S.
Commerce Department’s National
Telecommunications and Information
Administration (NTIA) announced its
intent
to relinquish the oversight role it
has played so far with the Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) regarding key
Internet
domain name functions. As the
announcement points out, this marks
the final phase of the transition
intended from
the inception of ICANN toward the
privatization of the domain name
system (DNS)
and its stewardship. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Internet
Governance Caucus (IGC) welcomes
this decision and
appreciates the opportunity to
further evolve toward an equitable
multistakeholder policymaking model
for the governance of the Internet.
In that
regard, IGC pays a particular
attention to the reiteration by NTIA
of the
necessity to involve all
stakeholders in the process as well
as in the desired outcome
for fully completing the above
transition. [If deemed relevant by
members and subject
to what the following actually
entails: “Meet the needs and
expectation of the
global customers and partners of the
IANA services”] We also support the
four
principles put forward by NTIA to
guide ICANN and the global Internet
community
in the formulation of a proposal to
finalize this transition.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While
acknowledging the primary role of
Internet
organizations and technical
standard-setting bodies, IGC wishes
to call attention to the
utmost importance of giving due
consideration to the concerns and
views of non-technical
and non-commercial stakeholders in
Internet policies. Indeed IGC
supports the multistakeholder
policymaking model to the extent
that it does not contradict the
ideals of democracy,
including due consideration to the
rights of minorities (in the context
of Internet
policy). It will be a constant
challenge
to make sure the term
‘multistakeholder’ is not reduced to
mean
‘anti-all-governments-of-the-world’
but is rather open to embrace a
‘pro-all-peoples-of-the-world’
meaning. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Furthermore, a
great deal of care should be given
to
designing the appropriate
accountability mechanisms that fits
a truly global governance
institution – with a constituency
and a customer base that actually is
global.
Related to that and more broadly,
adequate responses must be found to
the
concern that while achieving
effective accountability such
institution (to
emerge from this transition) should
not be subject to any one national
jurisdiction at the exclusion of
others. It must be equally available
and
accessible to all Internet
stakeholders. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since ICANN is
one of the co-conveners of the
upcoming
NETMundial, the Global Meeting on
the Future of Internet Governance<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> (</span><a href="http://www.netmundial.br" target="_blank">www.netmundial.br</a>)
to be held
in Brazil this April, we advise that
it includes in its consultation
process for the transition proposal
the propositions made in
submissions, proceedings and
outcomes
of that meeting as regards the
phasing out of the current role
played by NTIA
in the coordination of the
Internet’s domain name system. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Internet
Governance Caucus</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">March xx, 2014.</p>
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