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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 05 March 2014 05:19 PM,
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On 5 Mar 2014, at 7:21 pm, parminder <<a
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">And of course, the
proposed view to be submitted on 1Net's behalf has this
all important principle, "Decisions made with respect to
Internet governance should only be made by bodies that
allow free and equitable access to all stakeholders at all
points in the decision-making process." Well of course.
Two hoots to democracy!<br>
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Now I shall come to the point, of my comments on the
proposed submission to NetMundial submitted by Jeremy.<br>
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I of course support and commend both APC Principles and
IRP Principles - which seem the main burden of the
submission.... BUT...<br>
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</b></i><i><b>Can someone explain me the meaning of
"equitable multistakeholder participation"</b></i><span
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different from what is meant in the above statement from
1Net's survey. If so, how.... More precisely, are you
seeking that all stakeholders, including business reps,
have equal part and role (as gov reps) in making decisions
about public policies. Please address this point
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<div>Yes, you picked up on a key point. There was a
discussion of this on the pad where the text was
workshopped, which you can read for yourself: <a
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href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/IG_principles">https://pad.riseup.net/p/IG_principles</a>.
At various times it was "parity" and "power sharing" before
it became "equitable participation", which is somewhat
flexible, to accommodate the different viewpoints that we
all have about how equal the stakeholder roles should be.</div>
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I dont greatly like flexibility between democracy and
non-democracy. <br>
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So, request a clear response - do you mean <i><b>parity</b></i>
in <i><b>decision making</b></i> about <i><b>public policies </b></i>between
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It is important to note that the two main Principles docs that this
CS contribution refers to speak of democracy but not
multistakeholder governance, much less 'equitable MSism'..<br>
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In fact the APC Principles doc speaks of "<font face="sans-serif"><font
style="font-size: 11pt" size="3">The right to multilateral
democratic oversight of the Internet.
Internet governance</font></font><font face="sans-serif"><font
style="font-size: 11pt" size="3"> should be multilateral and
democratic.</font></font>
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Obviously, what is the main, unique, and new element in this present
submission - equitable multistakeholder participation - does not
come from the 2 key docs which are claimed to be the principle
inspirations.<br>
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Ok, lets next check the 3 other principles docs that are also quoted
as somewhat secondary inspirations - CGI.Br Principles, CoE
principles, and G 8 principles....<br>
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In these principles docs, while all f them orepeatedly and
emphatically speak of democracy, the MS (multistakeholder) term
either does not figure (CGI.Br doc) or comes in a much much
subsidiary fashion wrt to democracy (the other two docs)<br>
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Now, lets see what does your contribution - developed by civil
society actors in IG space - come up with .....<br>
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There is not a single mention of 'democracy' or 'democratic' in this
doc.... Even when you guys came up with "key governance
characteristics" you could think only of " openness, transparency,
inclusivity, accountability, and <i><b>equitable multistakeholder
participation </b></i>" (emphasis added)<br>
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In all your f2f meetings, and long online deliberations, did the
word 'democracy' not occur to any one at all... Or did it occur to
someone and was contributed but did not find favour in the group....
Dont know which is worse. But both are bad enough for me to stay
away from this doc. <br>
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And I appeal also to others who really believe in democracy not to
get caught in this trap that is laid for them.... This is the thin
end of the wedge, which will soon usher you into a brave new post
democratic world, that one which the neo liberals dream of.... It is
a pity that a good part of civil society has agreed to be the Trojan
Horse for the powerful warriors of the neolib order. <br>
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See, how the term democracy is rejected, and phrases like equitable
multistakeholder participation (further explained in the emerging
contribution from 1 Net - principle 11 in the survey) are getting
introduced as basis of our governance. And see how exactly it
matches what some of us predicted is the prime objective at present
of the US supported status quoists to get into the text of the
outcomes from NetMundial...... All of piece.<br>
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parminder<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53170F61.60305@itforchange.net" type="cite">And
this is not a petty point... Half of the time of the WGEC got
taken on this kind of discussion. This is the single most
important point today, if we can clarify nd possibly agree on this
point - rest is not too difficult... Lets accept what is the key
point, and not skirt it...<br>
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BTW, the German government has the following to say in its
submission to NetMundial<br>
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"Democratically elected governments, as the representative of the
people, possess public authority including internet-related public
policy issues and are supposed to be the main source for
legitimacy and democratic legitimation. Hence they have to respect
and protect human rights, ensure that the rule of law is respected
and that relevant national legislation complies with their
obligations under international law. Moreover, they need to ensure
that the appropriate basic conditions both in terms of
cyber-security and technical provisions are in place. Civil
society serves, and should continue to do so, as a facilitator and
notably as a source of empowerment and credibility, especially at
community level. The private sector and particularly the technical
community significantly influence and encourage the development,
distribution and accessibility of the internet, and should
continue to do so. In order to fully live up to the potentials for
economic growth, innovation, freedom of expression, access to
information and ideas and democratic participation in a knowledge
society, all stakeholders involved need to work together."<br>
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Do you for instance agree to the above formulation, or NOT...<br>
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