<div dir="ltr">Mike strongly agreed with Andrew and Gene and I strongly agree with Mike!! <div>This exchange of emails and ideas of course is useful but my view is that an important goal of BB might be to set up the CS agenda for the meeting in Brazil. To do so, it will be important to submit a short and substantive document. Of course it will not be easy to have a general agreement among us, but I encourage all of us to be flexible and only oppose on issues that are contrary to fundamental principles or past agreements. </div>
<div>I agree with Andrew proposal. At the same time I understand Jeremy M concerns in limiting the statement to the three themes proposed by Andrew. But having a discussion now about what should be included and how the list should be expanded, it could lead us to a never end discussion. Thatīs why I agree with Andrew.</div>
<div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>e</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Eduardo</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Mike Godwin (<a href="mailto:mgodwin@INTERNEWS.ORG">mgodwin@INTERNEWS.ORG</a>) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mgodwin@internews.org" target="_blank">mgodwin@internews.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><br></div><div>I strongly agree with Gene and Andrew about the need to have a clear, targeted, and (ideally) short substantive civil-society agenda going forward to Brazil. Frankly, I almost don’t care what what the specifics of that substantive agenda are, but the timeline is excruciatingly short, the window of opportunity is limited, and if want to take away something substantive from Brazil we have to commit to a substantive agenda now. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I’m not terribly troubled if someone later says the agenda should be, or should have been different. Brazil is a unique opportunity, and it will be shame if it goes to waste because civil society focused more on process and consensus than on extracting substantive value from the opportunity Brazil represents.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 7:16 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><div>
<div class="h5"><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [bestbits] substantive proposals for Brazil summit - IG governance<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div class="h5">I think it would be a big mistake to avoid substance. Expand or adjust the list as you like, but let's give Brazil a chance to a starting point for progress on our most important policy concerns. Who cares if others disagree? We need to adequately represent civil society. And then the discussions and negotiations can begin. ...<div>
<br></div><div>The three broad areas Andrew suggests were what many signed on at the Baku best bits meeting</div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> <br>
Date: 02/04/2014 2:31 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> <br>Subject: Re: [bestbits] substantive proposals for Brazil summit - IG governance <br>
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<div>On 03/02/14 23:09, Andrew Puddephatt
wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Three
examples might be:<u></u><u></u></span>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Net
neutrality<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Protection
for personal privacy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>3.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Affordable
access<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We
could say that whatever arrangements on governance are
considered that we call on governments and other
stakeholders to guarantee these three objectives both at the
international level and in national policies. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
would have thought we have a fighting chance of getting
endorsement for this in a two day conference</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
I have my doubts. If we start cherry-picking issues, where will we
stop? The technical community will say "Well if we're including net
neutrality, why not IPv6 transition?" Civil society colleages will
say (and quite rightly) "If privacy, why not freedom of expression?"
etc. Also, within your examples, affordable access falls into a
different category than the other two, having less to do with global
public policy principles.<br>
<br>
I can see the wisdom of the original pronouncement that we wouldn't
be dealing with particular substantive issues, but rather on
cross-cutting principles and mechanisms.<br>
<br>
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