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+1 from me, and I think I am all grown up now so am "mature"
enough... though who knows?! :)<br>
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best<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/01/2014 17:49, Carolina Rossini
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That is how I also feel</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:19 AM, <a
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<div>Who cares what he thinks. We should submit what we
think needs to be addressed in Internet policy!
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Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: notes from meeting with
FADI in DC <br>
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<div dir="ltr">- He did not mentioned specific dates
for the reports, but he said they are almost done.
<div>- I did understand that when he was saying
"governance principles" they would be process
focus principles. So transparency,
multistakeholder, etc would be discussed, but net
neutrality and things alike would not (But
remember, Fadi impressions have diverged in the
past from those of the Brazilian officials). Maybe
this is something that should be clarified by the
committees. At the end the statement "crafting
internet principles" is not that clear (to say the
least) </div>
<div>- yes, he did agree HR should be the broader
framework for all this</div>
<div>- I was in a meeting yesterday with folks of
the Necessary and Proportionate coalition, and I
specifically suggested Katitza (EFF), Jochai
(Access) and Mathew (CDT) to submit through the
site the N and P principles...</div>
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<p dir="ltr">Thanks, Carol.<br>
This part brought my attention:</p>
<div>
<p dir="ltr">"Brazil wont discuss internet
principles in general, but principles of
governance: principles, networks, etc. We
will just have 2 days."</p>
</div>
<p dir="ltr">+<br>
The addition you guys made on Human Rights and
he agreed. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I wonder what is the
understanding...is it that there wouldnt be
space to debate specific principles such as
necessary and proportionate? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Do we have a date for Vint's
report? <br>
<br>
</p>
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13:56, "Carolina Rossini" <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Well, it seems he will
growth on his position until this
group of social responsability figures
out their next steps, but we can
clarify
<div><br>
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<div>Chirs is also moving to DC. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>
No bigger context to the meeting
besides dialogue. They just called
folks from civil society and think
tanks in DC to meet, since Fadi was
here to speak at STON</div>
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<div>C. </div>
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<div>hi Carolina,</div>
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<div>Thanks for those notes and
updates and what was the
context of this meeting?</div>
<div>Btw Chris mondini main task
is to engage business, there
is no specific staff for
civil society :).</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Rafik<br>
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<div>And an important
addition, Brett and I
brought it up that
Human Rights framework
should be a core issue
to be considered as a
base for any principle
setting moving forward
and Fadi agreed and
reinforced it. <br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear
all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>here my notes
from what <span>Fadi</span>
talked about
this morning
here in DC. I
tried to capture
as much as I
could his own
words. But this
are my notes. </div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>They also
mentioned new
websites:</div>
<div>* learn.<span>icann</span>.org</div>
<div>* labs.<span>icann</span>.org</div>
<div>* new.<span>icann</span>.org</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>And for
contact: Chris <span>Mondini</span>
<<span>chris</span>.<span>mondini</span>@<span>icann</span>.org></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Brett from
Access was also
in the meeting,
so he may have
complementary
notes. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carol</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"This is our
first gathering
of the DC <span>ICANN</span>
office.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span>Snowden</span>,
good or bad,
brought the
topic of “who
run the
internet” up in
the agenda of
countries around
the world.</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Fadi</span>
is 1 ½ in.
Mandates are of
3 years. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">The
openness for <span>ICANN</span>
is crucial for
our mission. <span>ICANN</span>
is a very
western centric
organization,
based on its
staff and
posture. 3
centers. They
have implemented
Sales Force <span>CRM</span>
across the
offices to
ensure
questions are
answered. <span>ICANN</span>
is also creating
“engagement
centers” around
the
world.
Montevideo,
Beijing, Geneva,
Cairo. Building
centers of
excellence, such
as in Delhi and
another to come
in Africa on
youth and
entrepreneurship
and a
possible 3<sup>rd</sup>
one in Russia. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">“Ensuring
that <span>ICANN</span>
is ready to face
the
responsibilities
it has at the
global level.”</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Wants
<span>ICANN</span>
to be an example
of <span>multistakeholderism</span>
and
openness. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ICANN</span>
is rooted in the
pubic interest.
Some view may
diverge. I am
think this is we
have not acted
> he
appointed a full
time
president of
public
responsibility
> one of the
key elements is
education.
How to use that
money in the
public interest.
This president
brought a panel
to
help him develop
this strategy. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">An
academic meeting
in August as a
follow-up.
Friday and
Saturday in Rio.
<span>Fadi</span>
also wants
to do the same
with civil
society in
November. <span>Fadi</span>
affirms he can
help with
platform and
costs. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Civil
society
representatives
need more
strength – <span>ICANN</span>
can
support costs of
travel. We have
a 133 countries
siting at the
table and
showing at every
meeting. They
are on “equal”
footing. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Brazil
wont discuss <span>internet</span>
principles in
general, but
principles of
governance:
principles,
networks, etc.
We will just
have 2 days.</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">PHASES:
Design (the <span>internet</span>
ecosystem which
will work, this
effort should
end in the
Brazil meeting)
(hopefully this
will be shown as
a
picture. This is
a high level
document.
10pgs), engineer
(this is a
second
phase and it
will start in
early may and go
through the end
of the year.
Take
the high level
design and
develop how it
will work. <span>Joi</span>
Ito, <span>Novack</span>,
etc. This
needs to give me
something that
is <span>operationalizable</span>.),
operation
(execution of
the plan). </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Fadi</span>
are bringing the
pieces to create
a complex regime
that
is new,
synchronized
with the
nation-state
model. We are in
a race to ensure
that the head of
states </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>IANA</span>:
this was a
discussion where
only small rooms
that US
controls the
Internet. <span>Fadi</span>
discussed with
his board that <span>ICANN</span>
should take the
oversight from
US. It was
always know that
this was just a
matter of time.
<span>Fadi</span>
and his board
agreed that <span>ICANN</span>
is ready to
overtake that
function and
have the
public
discussion about
it. We have
strategy panels,
one led by
Vincent Cerf,
who is about to
release its
report saying <span>ICANN</span>
is mature
enough. The
question
is all about if
<span>ICANN</span>
is mature enough
… and we need a
mature civil
society. I
was invited for
the Best Bits
meeting and it
was a great
truth meeting. </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">He
wants us to be
sure we all are
mature enough to
assume
all functions.
And for this to
happen <span>Fadi</span>
feels we need
more and
stronger
civil society.
But the
stakeholders
need engage and
be mature, so no
other
country (or all
of them) take
control of the <span>IANA</span>.</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
are planning the
creation of
governance
networks. How we
would come
together and for
a certain issue
could include A
+ B + C. they
are dynamic,
hopefully
effective and
the involved may
vary based on
the need.</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">March
1st is the
deadline for
submissions for
Brazil mtg in
the website"</p>
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Dr Marianne Franklin
Professor of Global Media and Politics
Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
Goldsmiths (University of London)
Department of Media & Communications
New Cross, London SE14 6NW
Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:m.i.franklin@gold.ac.uk"><m.i.franklin@gold.ac.uk></a>
@GloComm
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/GloComm">https://twitter.com/GloComm</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/">http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/">https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/</a>
Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.internetrightsandprinciples.org">www.internetrightsandprinciples.org</a>
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