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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill, as per your below… It would be immeasurably easier “</span>to accept that the SC will do its best to select if they can’t reach consensus themselves” if the process of nominating for and selecting the SC wasn’t so obviously skewed, restrictive, self-selecting and exclusionary to begin with.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>M<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Best Bits<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] To 1Net or Not to 1Net, let's be clear on the question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>To save on retyping can I just repeat here what I said on the 1Net list, in the event there are folks not subscribed there.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re: [discuss] <a href="http://cgi.br">cgi.br</a> release regarding Brazil Global MSM on Internet Governance</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>January 12, 2014 at 10:35:12 AM GMT+1</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>, 1Net List <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There’s clearly a potential tension here that may not be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. For the 1Net SC to only act as a conduit to LOG per Seun, there’d have to be agreement on which peak associations/networks can nominate. But we see not only with CS but also business that there are folks saying who decided that only xyz peak association/network can nominate? So if the SC simply passes along those nominations, it may get accused of deciding to exclude others, thereby demonstrating that 1Net is a grand design of dark unaccountable forces to control the universe, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If instead we say ok anyone can nominate and the 1Net SC should do due diligence and select to ensure diversity and inclusion per Avri, then the SC has to pick among contending nominations. In which case it may get accused of deciding to exclude others, thereby demonstrating that 1Net is a grand design of dark unaccountable forces to control the universe, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As a member of the SC, I’m not excited about the prospect of us being put in position where we will stand accused no matter what we do. Volunteering to try and help facilitate a process shouldn’t require body armor. I hope that the stakeholder groups can either come to some internal consensus on who nominates on their behalf, or agree to accept that the SC will do its best to select if they can’t reach consensus themselves. Please let’s try to avoid another stage of representational train wrecks so we can all start to focus on the Sao Paulo agenda. The LOG has asked for substantive inputs on the agenda by March 1.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:07 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG">avri@ACM.ORG</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On 11-Jan-14 21:14, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Avri (makes a point in a different thread) that the existing members<br>on the coordination group are not inclusive of broader civil society,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>Hmmm, I do not think i said specifically that.<br><br>What I thought I said is that civil society is brader than IGC/BB, Diplo, APC and NCSG. That we are the early participants.<br><br>My point was that if no group with 'standing' submits a counter list of names for CS, then it is is safe to assume that CS* is being represented by those involved in Ian's group at this point in time. And I was not thinking of this as a rule just for CS but for any stakeholder group.<br><br>But if there are reputable, for some definition of reputable, groups who do have a different view of appropriate candidates, then yes, the /1net steering group, taking into account any comments from the /1net list, should make the determination of which candidates should be included in whatever committee they are trying to fill.<br><br>In other words, I find myself in disagreement with the view Ian expressed and will joining in the counter protest.<br><br><br>avri<br><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>.<br>To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:<br> <a href="http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits">http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>***********************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow & Lecturer<br> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br> University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br> ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (direct), <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a> (lists),<br> <a href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>*********************************************** <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>