<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, at 5:57 PM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 10 January 2014 09:51 PM,
Anja Kovacs wrote:</div>
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<div>However, before the message that the meeting would now be
an LOC-only one came, Adiel did nevertheless respond to that
request. As we (ie the 4 networks that appointed the liaisons)
have insisted on dealing directly with the LOC, </div>
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Yes, we did.. So wrong to approach 1Net coordinator to facilitate
our participation when we expressly decided against it..<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>For the third time in two days on three lists I find myself in agreement with Parminder, which may be a cause for concern to us both :-) </div><div><br></div><div>Could someone please remind me which are the 4 networks that insist on dealing directly with the LOC, rather than through 1Net SC as the LOC has asked? And resend the letter from them? Could the folks speaking on their behalf also describe the mechanisms by which these positions were adopted, i.e. was there inclusive deliberation and decision on their respective listservs with their members (which Parminder rightfully called for yesterday), or is it still based on their reactions two months ago to the rather ill-advised way a couple TC people described 1Net’s goals at that Wednesday meeting in Bali?</div><div><br></div><div>To be clear, lest my harping on it be misconstrued, I don’t care if IGC, Best Bits (which is mostly IGC people, but no members per se), and whomever else Anja is referring to (APC?) decide to stick with the position taken in Bali if they feel nothing has changed and the entire 1Net enterprise is forever tainted by the original sin of the TC initiating it. But if so, I would like a) to know that this is confirmed decision of those networks and not just the view of a few people in the heated environment of Bali, and b) for the representatives of those networks to please say “my network” don’t support 1Net playing this role rather than “civil society” doesn’t support 1Net playing this role, as the latter is really unfair to the networks that don’t agree, and it has caused confusion among other stakeholders requiring repeated explanations of CS’s internal dynamics and who favors x or y, etc. Let’s please just be clear who’s speaking on who’s behalf. For ex, on the 1Net SC, I speak for GigaNet, which had a discussion and picked people. I do not claim to speak for “academia."</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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<div>he encouraged us to take up this issue, too, directly with
the LOC. He also noted, "At this point I can not allow myself
to talk FOR CS only wile interacting with the LOC". This needs
to be read in the light of his efforts to make possible the
participation of the 1net steering group members in that
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Now this is interesting... I know that all stakeholders will
participate in organising committees as nominated through their
respective processes... What is this about 1Net participating in LOG
meeting. what is the basis for that... <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don’t want to put words into the mouths of either Adiel or Hartmut, but my understanding was that original hope was that all four SGs would put people on the 1net SC who have a mandate to act on their behalf and a commitment to work together with counterparts, and that thus to have some SC reps participate at least virtually in the meeting yesterday would have been a way for the LOG to bring stakeholders into an initial conversation. But as it happens, the 1Net SC is incomplete because the TC has not seated its reps yet, and only business has identified its reps to the two conference committees, so a substantive meeting to start deciding things became a non-starter. Hence the decision to focus on logistics.</div><div><br></div><div>Now this may set some teeth on edge, but it should be known: the meeting wasn’t just LOG. Fadi was there, I believe with Nick Tomasso, who manages ICANN conference logistics. ICANN does have administrative machinery for holding conferences and it is a co-initiator of the event, so if the LOG wants its assistance with anything logistical I don’t see why it should say no. Accordingly, Nick is co-chairing the Logistics and Organizational Committee with Hartmut.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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<div> something that was of importance for all those who do feel
comfortable with 1net being the conduit for their
participation.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Anja<br>
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All,</span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
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<span style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; float: none; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px; display: inline !important;">Because
of confusion and/or misunderstandings if the 1Net
Steering Committee already is in place, and<span> </span></span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
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avoid unbalanced participation (only one or two
communities), we decided that the meeting tomorrow<span> </span></span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
<span style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; float: none; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px; display: inline !important;">(Friday
January 10th) will be only<span> </span></span><u style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;"><b>a
meeting of the Local Organizing Working Group (Members
of<span> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cgi.br/" target="_blank">CGI.br</a>)</b></u><span style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; float: none; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px; display: inline !important;">.</span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
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expect that all BR Meeting Committees will be in place
during next week and then we can start to work with<span> </span></span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
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speed. </span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
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the best</span><br style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; font-size: inherit; white-space: normal; font-family: Calibri; word-spacing: 0px;">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 9 January 2014 08:31, Anja Kovacs
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p>Dear all,</p><p>Just to let you know, following up on Adam's email,
that as a member of the 1net SC, I have requested Adiel
to facilitate the participation in person of both Joana
and Laura in the meeting on 10 Jan. Joana and Laura are
the liaisons who had indicated they could make it in
person.</p><p>Will let you know as soon as there is a response. </p><p>Best,<br>
Anja</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 9, 2014 1:06 AM,
"Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" target="_blank">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks Ian. I
will include this is a later version.
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<div>Le 8 janv. 2014 à 20:33, Ian Peter a
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<div>Hi Jean- Christophe,</div>
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<div>One correction to your
excellent summary</div>
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<div><b><font face="Times New Roman">Who
are the potential known other
members of the Brazilian
Internet Steering Committee
(BI SC)</font></b></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">The 5 names you
mention are CS reps on the
1net Steering Committee – a
different entity altogether.
(Rafik Dammak; Anriette
Esterhuysen; Anja Kovacs;
Vladimir Radunovik; Joana
Varon )</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">The 1net steering
committee mailing list I
think was set up about 2
days ago with the reps
chosen by various
constituencies but as the
technical community reps
have not been chosen yet is
not fully populated. It has
a longer term brief than the
Brazil meeting.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">Ian Peter</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" target="_blank">Jean-Christophe
NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,
January 08, 2014 9:08 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="ajp@glocom.ac.jp" href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">Adam Peake</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="brmeeting@cgi.br" href="mailto:brmeeting@cgi.br" target="_blank">brmeeting@cgi.br</a>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">Civil
Society Internet
Governance Caucus - IGC</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="igfmaglist-owner@intgovforum.org" href="mailto:igfmaglist-owner@intgovforum.org" target="_blank">igfmaglist-owner@intgovforum.org</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[bestbits] emails to Adiel</div>
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<div>Behind mis-communication and
confusion, there might be some
good reasons for the mess (not
always but...). </div>
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<div>A good story is beginning to
take shape, and as far as we can
understand it now, its title
might be:</div>
<div><b>ICANN invites ICANN to
BRAZIL to debate IG</b></div>
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</b></div>
<div><b>So now just trying to get
things rights (and calling for
editing my information to the
listings)</b></div>
<div> </div>
<div>When visiting the new website
(online since Jan7, 2014) set
for the purpose of the meeting (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://brmeeting.br/" target="_blank">brmeeting.br</a>),
only minor informations are
available. Quite a surprise for
such an ambitious conference and
serious issue. In the section
'About' we find a map for the
location of the venue, and its
address. In the 'Announcements'
section, there is one 1 release
dated Nov 26, 2013, and a link
to ICANN announcement dated Oct
7, 2013. In the section
'Committees' we find 4
committees described with 3
phrases. The last section
'Accommodations' presents the 3
hotels and their contact info.
In the 'Contact' section, you
click to pop up an email.</div>
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<div>This is rather minimalist, to
say the least, for a new
website. Is Brazil lacking some
funds and means to get this
website to the appropriate level
of concern?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>From diverse emails, I end up
with the following information.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the Organizers?</b></div>
<div>Officially, we have BRAZIL
and ICANN with the support of
the other I* (see Montevideo
Statement mention) meaning ISOC,
IETF, RIRs...</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who is chairing the
Brazilian Multistakeholder
Conference on Internet
Conference?</b></div>
<div>One delegate from the
Brazilian Government, one from
ICANN and 2 additional persons
chosen by BRAZIL and ICANN**.
Names??</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the
Representatives of the
Organizers?</b></div>
<div>Officially the one entity
which role is to organize the
meeting is a "<i>Brazilian
Internet Steering Committee</i>".
This committee is not per say
Brazilian as it embeds ICANN
representatives and Brazilian
representatives. It should be a
<i>US-BRAZILIAN Internet
Steering Committee</i>, or an
<i>ICANN and BRAZIL Internet
Steering Committee</i>. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>For Brazil the head
representative is Virgilio F.
Almeda. Officially he is the
coordinator. The name of the
ICANN delegate is not available
on the meeting's website. Almeda
is also the coordinator of a
secretariat. It seems like this
secretariat will handle the
organization of the meeting AND
the
'coordination/management/inter-communication
within the committees (see
below). We have no specific
information about the "shared
secretariat".</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the
Representatives for all IG
participants/specialists/priesthood/stakeholders
(remember the multistakeholder
story)?</b></div>
<div>After its first meeting the
Brazilian Internet Steering
Committee BI SC (unclear who
took the decision within the BI
SC) has expressed desire for a
"filter" with the many
stakeholders part of the IG
debate (Too much work, too
little time). Something quite
unexpected for two reasons.
Setting a multistakeholder
conference with a single filter
sounds odd, specially when this
filter has no existence, no
constituencies, no mandate, no
membership, no board, no proper
information flow. What we know
about this filter (1net) is that
it was set by ICANN, and the
other I* (mostly constituents of
the current status quo and its
asymmetric US role over the
Internet). And it was presented,
if not endorsed (no reason for
ICANN to ask the IGF to endorse
a private initiative) during the
last IGF Bali meeting.</div>
<div>Everyone familiar with the IG
debate would have bet that an
IGF delegation would have been
the best "filter" to prepare the
multistakeholder conference. Or
a direct and open system of call
for participation.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>*let's be positive, as a
remote participation will be
allowed, organizers will be able
to share a feeling of
participation. </div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the other
governments participating?</b></div>
<div>No idea so far, but Brazilian
ambition on this seems to be at
a low 12-government guest cards.
I would bet that the US will not
participate as most of the US
delegation present at WCIT 2012
will be there anyway through the
I*.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the members of the
Brazilian Internet Steering
Committee (BI SC)?</b></div>
<div>- Virgilio Almeda for the
Brazilian government. </div>
<div>- Hartmut Richard Glaser for
LOG, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cgi.br/" target="_blank">CGI.br</a> </div>
<div>- Adiel Akplogan on behalf of
the I* (himself at AFRINIC )
under the umbrella of the 1net
UFO (© ICANN). </div>
<div>- 3 civil society
stakeholders : Carolina Rossini
(New America Foundation), Joana
Varon Ferraz (Fundação Getulio
Vargas) and Laura (Joana and
Laura are also part of the 1net
steering committee or 1net
steercom)</div>
<div>- ICANN representatives?</div>
<div>- Others?</div>
<div>...</div>
<div>(sorry but I do not have the
full list of the participants of
the first BI SC, and no official
information is available online
on the brmeeting website)</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the potential
known other members of the
Brazilian Internet Steering
Committee (BI SC)</b></div>
<div>- Adiel Akplogan for 1net has
asked for members of the 1net
steering committee to be
included in the Brazilian
Internet Steering Committee.
Btw, Carolina Rossini asked for
the names of the 1net steercom
reps to Adiel but we haven't
seen his answer yet.</div>
<div>- The IG listings (bestbits
IG) have suggested 5 names to
participate in the Brazilian
Internet Steering Committee
(Rafik Dammak; Anriette
Esterhuysen; Anja Kovacs;
Vladimir Radunovik; Joana Varon
(she is already in through
1net). With a 'back-up': Marilia
Maciel. So far no formal
feedback from them after the
first BI SC meeting (maybe I
have missed something here)</div>
<div>- 4 liaisons to the BI SC are
requested on behalf of another
civil society network (see
Parminder et al letter sent in
2013)</div>
<div>* I am not sure of what is
the difference between a liaison
and a member at the BI SC.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the members of the
4 stakeholder committees
supposed to prepare the event
under the BI SC overview?</b></div>
<div>This should be announced by
mi January. Who is appointing
them? Not quite clear but it
seems to be that the BISC will
finalize the names in agreement
with the organizers (BRAZIL and
ICANN). </div>
<div>The IG listings have been
collecting names and an ad hoc
selection committee is now
reviewing the final selection.
The final names selected will be
sent to the BI SC for approval.
</div>
<div>For other nominations, the
BICS in agreement with the
organizers (BRAZIL and ICANN)
should decide and announce the
names.</div>
<div>We don not know about other
names.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Who are the members of the
informal meetings such as the
Jan 10 meeting?</b></div>
<div>LOG (Hartmut et al) and a
1net representative designated
by 1net steering committee.
Brazilian government
representative(s). No other
governments representatives are
expected.</div>
<div>The agenda of the meeting is
not published. We have been told
that the meeting will discuss
logistic, including the remote
participation issue for the
event.</div>
<div>Joana (member of the 1net SC,
and BI SC) asked Hartmut (BI SC)
to include other members of the
1net SC (Jan 7) in this meeting</div>
<div>Carolina (member of the BI
SC) asked Hartmut (BI SC) to
include the 3 civil society
stakeholders members of the BI
SC be invited to the Jan 7
meeting (Joana, Laura and
Carolina)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Of course, all of that should
come with the usual criteria of
goodwill</div>
<div>** Participants are requested
to be able to work together and
in all circumstances be able to
represent the diversity of views</div>
<div>** Participants should talk
on an equal footing with other
participants</div>
<div>* As schedule is tight,
participants should be happy
with all the mismatches, odd
decisions, and possible
troubleshooting. And therefore
not too demanding.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The original criteria listing
for selecting participants to
the 4 committees is here (source
Ian Peter - Dec 22, 2013)</div>
<div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:16px;font-family:calibri;margin:0cm
0cm 0pt
36pt;line-height:normal"><span><span><font face="Cambria">1.</font><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:7pt"> </font></font></span></span></span><span><font face="Cambria">Able to
represent civil society as
a whole, not just your
individual civil society
organisation(s)</font></span></div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:16px;font-family:calibri;margin:0cm
0cm 0pt
36pt;line-height:normal"><span><span><font face="Cambria">2.</font><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:7pt"> </font></font></span></span></span><span><font face="Cambria">Able to
work collegiately with
other stakeholder groups
in a multistakeholder
setting</font></span></div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:16px;font-family:calibri;margin:0cm
0cm 0pt
36pt;line-height:normal"><span><span><font face="Cambria">3.</font><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:7pt"> </font></font></span></span></span><span><font face="Cambria">Able to
consult widely with civil
society groups and to
report back as the process
progresses</font></span></div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:16px;font-family:calibri;margin:0cm
0cm 0pt
36pt;line-height:normal"><span><span><font face="Cambria">4.</font><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:7pt"> </font></font></span></span></span><span><font face="Cambria">Ability to
represent civil society at
a senior level in these
discussions</font></span></div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:16px;font-family:calibri;margin:0cm
0cm 0pt
36pt;line-height:normal"><span><span><font face="Cambria">5.</font><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:7pt"> </font></font></span></span></span><span><font face="Cambria">Broad
knowledge of internet
governance issues and the
range of civil society
perspectives on these
issues</font></span></div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:16px;font-family:calibri;margin:0cm
0cm 0pt
36pt;line-height:normal"><span><span><font face="Cambria">6.</font><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:7pt"> </font></font></span></span></span><span><font face="Cambria">Capacity to
participate assertively
and creatively</font></span></div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div><span style="white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: optima; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: inherit; line-height: normal; font-family: optima; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;">I would really appreciate
that all errors,
mistakes, complement
of information, or new
information be pushed
forward. I hope this
contribute to
establish clarity
about the process and
help overall
understanding.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Too bad Hartmut didn't answer
my previous questions. Thanks
for your time on this.</div>
<div><span style="white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: optima; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: inherit; line-height: normal; font-family: optima; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><br>
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<div><span style="white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: optima; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: inherit; line-height: normal; font-family: optima; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;">Thanks in advance</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div>
<div>Le 8 janv. 2014 à 07:54,
Adam Peake a écrit :</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:46 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">On
Tuesday 07 January 2014
10:26 PM, Carolina Rossini
wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Dear
folks,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Adiel
will be the person in
the meeting in Brazil on
January 10th. Folks in
Brazil want this "1Net"
fictional entity to
filter ALL conversations
with CGI.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Carolina<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Your
description of 1Net and
its role as seen by LOG is
interesting. The point is;
does civil society agree
to this arrangement - of
1Net filtering all
conversations with CGI...
or have we simply become a
pushover (willing?) for
the powerful to make deals
among themselves. That
would be such a shame, and
I have begun to get this
feeling that we are fast
getting there if not
already there.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Seems like a lot of
mis-communication all round.<br>
<br>
Adiel will not be at the
meeting on Jan 10th. Email
from the 1Net discuss list:<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">On
Jan 8, 2014, at 3:17 AM,
Adiel Akplogan wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I
won't be in Brazil. I
have already asked if
the /1net steercom reps
can attend the meeting
at least as observer,
awaiting for answer from
the LOC.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">-
a.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Let's wait and see how the
local organizers respond to
his request to have steering
committee members attend. I
am beginning to loose track
of committee/nominations,
etc., but believe we have
selected five steering
committee members:<br>
<br>
Rafik Dammak<br>
Anriette Esterhuysen<br>
Anja Kovacs <br>
Vladimir Radunovik<br>
Joana Varon<br>
<br>
Marilia Maciel as back-up. <br>
<br>
Can't imagine there's anyway
to have all five attend in
person :-) But there are
ways to have input.
Hopefully the committee at
least has a list. And if
some of the other Brazil CS
liaisons are available at
such short notice, suggest
we ask they + Marilia be
invited to attend as
proxies. Perhaps one of the
5 steering committee members
could make this request?<br>
<br>
We now have about 11 weeks
until the end of March when
meeting needs to be in near
final shape. Time will
always mess up our hopes for
good process, let's work
with what we have... and
thanks to those volunteering
to help.<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Do
we want to write to LOG/
CGI that this arrangement
is not acceptable to us? I
request that list members
give their response to
this. <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">That
reminds me: at Bali, this
issue was much discussed
and four prominent civil
society groups (IGC, BB,
APC and IRP) together
agreed that, no this
arrangement is not
acceptable to us (Please
let me know if this is
*not* what people thing
got agreed) and decided to
send a letter to
Brazilians to the effect,
and also putting forward 4
CS Liaisons, who were
requested to be invited to
all meetings related to
organising the Brazil
meeting. (Quite
inexplicably though the
drafting and sending of
the letter got highly
delayed even after this
decision.)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Caroline,
you, and Joana and Laura
were 3 liaisons . Why did
you not keep us posted
about what was happening
in Brazil... Did you
insist that you be invited
to all meetings? If so,
what was their response?
Why did you not share
their response with all of
us? Why when, while such
is in any case the duty of
any CS rep, the letter
clearly said that the
Liaisons will keep CS
groups posted about
developments. However,
whereas much has happened
since that time, I dont
remember a single report
by the liaisons to us.
Carlos used to report but
then he had to drop out
since he was made a member
of LOG. But what about
the three of you?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">When
after the last LOG
meeting, we got the
bombshell that it has been
officially decided that
1Net will as you say
'filter ALL conversations
with CGI' I wrote
repeatedly to this list
requesting CS Liaisons to
bring us to speed about
what is happening. In
fact, even Ian (and I
think Jeremy) asked for
some information about
what was happening. But
NONE of you responded to
any of our requests....<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I
think. sorry for my words,
but this is about a
public duty, and seeking
accountability about it,
this is a clear abdication
of the role that you all
were given as CS reps... I
am sure there must be an
explanation of this
somewhere, in which case
please do share it. <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Thanks,
parminder <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">So,
it is better to write to
Adiel, not just to CGI.
Here is Adiel email if
you prefer to do so:
Adiel Akplogan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net" target="_blank">adiel@afrinic.net</a>><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">--
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Carol
(in my personal
capacity) <br>
</blockquote>
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