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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 10 January 2014 10:36 PM,
      Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
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          <div>Dear all,<br>
            <br>
            As I agree that the exact relation between 1net and the
            organisation of the Brazilian meeting remains a topic of
            considerable confusion (including on the 1net email lists),
            I have requested that the 1net steering committee seeks
            clarification from the LOC on what its expectations
            vis-a-vis 1net are once the Committees are in place. If the
            LOC has no further expectations at that point, and if the
            1net steering committee also sees no role for itself, the
            current tension will automatically defuse, as 1net would
            then automatically move into the background, at least where
            the organisational aspects of the meeting are concerned (it
            would hopefully still contribute to the substance!). The
            committee appointments should be known in about 5 days time.
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          <div>If the LOC does have further expectations, I think that
            time would be a good moment to more formally reassess our
            stance - through whatever process deemed most appropriate.</div>
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    Anja<br>
    <br>
    I am sure you have followed the facts of the case whereby it has not
    been what LOG expected of 1Net, but what 1Net, or whoever drives
    1Net, has consistently and insistently tried to extract from LOG...
    you know that 1Net begun even in Bali to assume roles about the
    Brazil meeting which made Brazilians extremely uncomfortable, and 
    that  then in Dec Adiel made the unilateral declaration that 1Net
    will be the conduit to Brazil organising committees, whereby
    later on 27th dec LOG  pushed 1Net back and announced more or less
    that Adiel's announcement was wrong and unauthorised   and that LOG
    will directly deal with different stakeholder processes... whatever
    happened between that meeting and the latest LOG meeting in the
    first week of Jan,  but then 1Net was again the one conduit... <br>
    <br>
    Why do you think we should ignore all this publicly known stuff and
    innocently assume that it is LOG which is pressuring poor 1Net into
    different roles. This is pretty strange to me...<br>
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    parminder <br>
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        <div>Whatever happens, if at some point it is decided that
          working through the 1net SC is acceptable on some issues in
          the preparation for this event, I disagree that that means
          1net will automatically become the default platform for all CS
          representation in the future, as some seem to fear. The exact
          shape that 1net will take is something that is still to be
          determined, and it is up to all of us to provide input into
          that - and up to us as 1net SC members from CS to make sure
          that you all remain informed of any relevant proposals etc. so
          that we can collectively frame timely responses as needed.  <br>
          <br>
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        <div>FYI, the archives of the 1net SC mailing list are public,
          and can be accessed here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/steercom/">http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/steercom/</a><br>
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        <div>Best,<br>
          Anja<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 10 January 2014 20:09, Jeremy
            Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                <div>On 10 Jan 2014, at 7:18 pm, parminder <<a
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                    target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font
                          face="Verdana">I just want others to tell
                          their clear views as well.... Not tell us that
                          well this is what has already happened and
                          so.... But what is their preferences (and what
                          was it at Bali, and if there is a change of
                          view, some clarification will be extremely
                          helpful).<br>
                          <br>
                          I also agree with Bill that we should stop
                          causing confusion, and clearly arrive at a
                          view and tell it to the outside world.<br>
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                <div>Sorry for the apparent confusion.  The process has
                  certainly been made clear to Adiel, to the LOG, and we
                  thought it has also been made clear to the respective
                  lists, but evidently not.  So let me restate my
                  understanding of it:</div>
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                    <li>The 1net representatives are separate from the
                      Brazil meeting representatives, because 1net aims
                      to be an ongoing dialogue whereas the Brazil
                      meeting is a discrete event.</li>
                    <li>Following from point 1, it was never stated or
                      anticipated that the 1net steering committee reps
                      would themselves appoint the Brazil committee
                      reps, and they were not selected in the
                      expectation that do such a thing.</li>
                    <li>Rather, the civil society IG coordination group
                      has handled (or is handling) the process for
                      nominations.  (We do realise that Michael Gurstein
                      is not happy about this, nor is he happy about
                      1net, or Best Bits, or....)</li>
                    <li>As for the four liaisons that we appointed in
                      Brazil, they took <i>interim</i> roles in liaising
                      both with the 1net group and the Brazil
                      organisers, but these interim appointments are
                      superseded as more permanent appointments are made
                      - initially of the new 1net steering committee
                      representatives, and (pending) the representatives
                      on the two Brazil committees.</li>
                    <li>The fact that the LOG has asked that the
                      nominations for the Brazil committees go through
                      the 1net committee initially flummoxed us because
                      it flew in the face of what we thought we had
                      clearly told them about our process.  But Ian's
                      response is that we will send our selections
                      directly to the LOG, and also (as a courtesy, if
                      you like) to the 1net committee.</li>
                  </ul>
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                <div><br>
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                <div>Hopefully this clarifies the process, and sorry
                  that it wasn't clear enough already.  Parminder I
                  realise that point 5 above is likely unsatisfactory to
                  you because it doesn't firmly break the plank of
                  legitimacy that the LOG has extended to 1net, but...
                  it's intended as a bit of a compromise.</div>
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                <div>Ian can clarify further if needs be, since he is
                  the chair of the coordination group.</div>
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