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<DIV>Hi Jean- Christophe,</DIV>
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<DIV>One correction to your excellent summary</DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face="Times New Roman">Who are the potential known other members
of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee (BI SC)</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>The 5 names you mention are CS reps on the
1net Steering Committee – a different entity altogether. (Rafik Dammak; Anriette
Esterhuysen; Anja Kovacs; Vladimir Radunovik; Joana Varon )</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>The 1net steering committee mailing list I think
was set up about 2 days ago with the reps chosen by various constituencies but
as the technical community reps have not been chosen yet is not fully
populated. It has a longer term brief than the Brazil
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net
href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The
Global Journal</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ajp@glocom.ac.jp href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">Adam
Peake</A> ; <A title=brmeeting@cgi.br
href="mailto:brmeeting@cgi.br">brmeeting@cgi.br</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A>
; <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Civil Society Internet Governance
Caucus - IGC</A> ; <A title=igfmaglist-owner@intgovforum.org
href="mailto:igfmaglist-owner@intgovforum.org">igfmaglist-owner@intgovforum.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bestbits] emails to Adiel</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Behind mis-communication and confusion, there might be some good reasons
for the mess (not always but...). </DIV>
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<DIV>A good story is beginning to take shape, and as far as we can understand it
now, its title might be:</DIV>
<DIV><B>ICANN invites ICANN to BRAZIL to debate IG</B></DIV>
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<DIV><B>So now just trying to get things rights (and calling for editing my
information to the listings)</B></DIV>
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<DIV>When visiting the new website (online since Jan7, 2014) set for the purpose
of the meeting (<A href="http://brmeeting.br">brmeeting.br</A>), only minor
informations are available. Quite a surprise for such an ambitious conference
and serious issue. In the section 'About' we find a map for the location of the
venue, and its address. In the 'Announcements' section, there is one 1 release
dated Nov 26, 2013, and a link to ICANN announcement dated Oct 7, 2013. In the
section 'Committees' we find 4 committees described with 3 phrases. The last
section 'Accommodations' presents the 3 hotels and their contact info. In the
'Contact' section, you click to pop up an email.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is rather minimalist, to say the least, for a new website. Is Brazil
lacking some funds and means to get this website to the appropriate level of
concern?</DIV>
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<DIV>From diverse emails, I end up with the following information.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the Organizers?</B></DIV>
<DIV>Officially, we have BRAZIL and ICANN with the support of the other I* (see
Montevideo Statement mention) meaning ISOC, IETF, RIRs...</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who is chairing the Brazilian Multistakeholder Conference on Internet
Conference?</B></DIV>
<DIV>One delegate from the Brazilian Government, one from ICANN and 2 additional
persons chosen by BRAZIL and ICANN**. Names??</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the Representatives of the Organizers?</B></DIV>
<DIV>Officially the one entity which role is to organize the meeting is a
"<I>Brazilian Internet Steering Committee</I>". This committee is not per say
Brazilian as it embeds ICANN representatives and Brazilian representatives. It
should be a <I>US-BRAZILIAN Internet Steering Committee</I>, or an <I>ICANN and
BRAZIL Internet Steering Committee</I>. </DIV>
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<DIV>For Brazil the head representative is Virgilio F. Almeda. Officially he is
the coordinator. The name of the ICANN delegate is not available on the
meeting's website. Almeda is also the coordinator of a secretariat. It seems
like this secretariat will handle the organization of the meeting AND the
'coordination/management/inter-communication within the committees (see below).
We have no specific information about the "shared secretariat".</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the Representatives for all IG
participants/specialists/priesthood/stakeholders (remember the multistakeholder
story)?</B></DIV>
<DIV>After its first meeting the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee BI SC
(unclear who took the decision within the BI SC) has expressed desire for a
"filter" with the many stakeholders part of the IG debate (Too much work, too
little time). Something quite unexpected for two reasons. Setting a
multistakeholder conference with a single filter sounds odd, specially when this
filter has no existence, no constituencies, no mandate, no membership, no board,
no proper information flow. What we know about this filter (1net) is that it was
set by ICANN, and the other I* (mostly constituents of the current status quo
and its asymmetric US role over the Internet). And it was presented, if not
endorsed (no reason for ICANN to ask the IGF to endorse a private initiative)
during the last IGF Bali meeting.</DIV>
<DIV>Everyone familiar with the IG debate would have bet that an IGF delegation
would have been the best "filter" to prepare the multistakeholder conference. Or
a direct and open system of call for participation.</DIV>
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<DIV>*let's be positive, as a remote participation will be allowed, organizers
will be able to share a feeling of participation. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the other governments participating?</B></DIV>
<DIV>No idea so far, but Brazilian ambition on this seems to be at a low
12-government guest cards. I would bet that the US will not participate as most
of the US delegation present at WCIT 2012 will be there anyway through the
I*.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the members of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee (BI
SC)?</B></DIV>
<DIV>- Virgilio Almeda for the Brazilian government. </DIV>
<DIV>- Hartmut Richard Glaser for LOG, <A
href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</A> </DIV>
<DIV>- Adiel Akplogan on behalf of the I* (himself at AFRINIC ) under the
umbrella of the 1net UFO (© ICANN). </DIV>
<DIV>- 3 civil society stakeholders : Carolina Rossini (New America Foundation),
Joana Varon Ferraz (Fundação Getulio Vargas) and Laura (Joana and Laura
are also part of the 1net steering committee or 1net steercom)</DIV>
<DIV>- ICANN representatives?</DIV>
<DIV>- Others?</DIV>
<DIV>...</DIV>
<DIV>(sorry but I do not have the full list of the participants of the first BI
SC, and no official information is available online on the brmeeting
website)</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the potential known other members of the Brazilian Internet
Steering Committee (BI SC)</B></DIV>
<DIV>- Adiel Akplogan for 1net has asked for members of the 1net steering
committee to be included in the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee. Btw,
Carolina Rossini asked for the names of the 1net steercom reps to Adiel
but we haven't seen his answer yet.</DIV>
<DIV>- The IG listings (bestbits IG) have suggested 5 names to participate in
the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee (Rafik Dammak; Anriette Esterhuysen;
Anja Kovacs; Vladimir Radunovik; Joana Varon (she is already in through 1net).
With a 'back-up': Marilia Maciel. So far no formal feedback from them after the
first BI SC meeting (maybe I have missed something here)</DIV>
<DIV>- 4 liaisons to the BI SC are requested on behalf of another civil society
network (see Parminder et al letter sent in 2013)</DIV>
<DIV>* I am not sure of what is the difference between a liaison and a member at
the BI SC.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the members of the 4 stakeholder committees supposed to prepare
the event under the BI SC overview?</B></DIV>
<DIV>This should be announced by mi January. Who is appointing them? Not quite
clear but it seems to be that the BISC will finalize the names in agreement with
the organizers (BRAZIL and ICANN). </DIV>
<DIV>The IG listings have been collecting names and an ad hoc selection
committee is now reviewing the final selection. The final names selected will be
sent to the BI SC for approval. </DIV>
<DIV>For other nominations, the BICS in agreement with the organizers (BRAZIL
and ICANN) should decide and announce the names.</DIV>
<DIV>We don not know about other names.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Who are the members of the informal meetings such as the Jan 10
meeting?</B></DIV>
<DIV>LOG (Hartmut et al) and a 1net representative designated by 1net steering
committee. Brazilian government representative(s). No other governments
representatives are expected.</DIV>
<DIV>The agenda of the meeting is not published. We have been told that the
meeting will discuss logistic, including the remote participation issue for the
event.</DIV>
<DIV>Joana (member of the 1net SC, and BI SC) asked Hartmut (BI SC) to include
other members of the 1net SC (Jan 7) in this meeting</DIV>
<DIV>Carolina (member of the BI SC) asked Hartmut (BI SC) to include the 3
civil society stakeholders members of the BI SC be invited to the Jan 7 meeting
(Joana, Laura and Carolina)</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, all of that should come with the usual criteria of
goodwill</DIV>
<DIV>** Participants are requested to be able to work together and in all
circumstances be able to represent the diversity of views</DIV>
<DIV>** Participants should talk on an equal footing with other
participants</DIV>
<DIV>* As schedule is tight, participants should be happy with all the
mismatches, odd decisions, and possible troubleshooting. And therefore not too
demanding.</DIV>
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<DIV>The original criteria listing for selecting participants to the 4
committees is here (source Ian Peter - Dec 22, 2013)</DIV>
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</FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face=Cambria>Able to represent
civil society as a whole, not just your individual civil society
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</FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face=Cambria>Able to consult
widely with civil society groups and to report back as the process
progresses</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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</FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face=Cambria>Ability to represent
civil society at a senior level in these discussions</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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</FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face=Cambria>Broad knowledge of
internet governance issues and the range of civil society perspectives on these
issues</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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</FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face=Cambria>Capacity to
participate assertively and creatively</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Too bad Hartmut didn't answer my previous questions. Thanks for your time
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<DIV>Le 8 janv. 2014 à 07:54, Adam Peake a écrit :</DIV><BR
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<DIV><BR>On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:46 PM, parminder wrote:<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On Tuesday 07 January 2014 10:26 PM, Carolina
Rossini wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Dear folks,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Adiel will be the person in the meeting in Brazil
on January 10th. Folks in Brazil want this "1Net" fictional entity to
filter ALL conversations with CGI.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Carolina<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Your description of 1Net and its role as seen by LOG
is interesting. The point is; does civil society agree to this arrangement -
of 1Net filtering all conversations with CGI... or have we simply become a
pushover (willing?) for the powerful to make deals among themselves. That
would be such a shame, and I have begun to get this feeling that we are fast
getting there if not already there.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Seems like a lot of
mis-communication all round.<BR><BR>Adiel will not be at the meeting on Jan
10th. Email from the 1Net discuss list:<BR><BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Adiel Akplogan
wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I won't be in Brazil. I have already asked if the
/1net steercom reps can attend the meeting at least as observer, awaiting
for answer from the LOC.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">- a.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Let's
wait and see how the local organizers respond to his request to have steering
committee members attend. I am beginning to loose track of
committee/nominations, etc., but believe we have selected five steering
committee members:<BR><BR>Rafik Dammak<BR>Anriette Esterhuysen<BR>Anja Kovacs
<BR>Vladimir Radunovik<BR>Joana Varon<BR><BR>Marilia Maciel as back-up.
<BR><BR>Can't imagine there's anyway to have all five attend in person
:-) But there are ways to have input. Hopefully the committee at least
has a list. And if some of the other Brazil CS liaisons are available at
such short notice, suggest we ask they + Marilia be invited to attend as
proxies. Perhaps one of the 5 steering committee members could make this
request?<BR><BR>We now have about 11 weeks until the end of March when meeting
needs to be in near final shape. Time will always mess up our hopes for
good process, let's work with what we have... and thanks to those volunteering
to help.<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Do we want to write to LOG/ CGI that this
arrangement is not acceptable to us? I request that list members give their
response to this. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">That reminds me: at Bali, this issue was much
discussed and four prominent civil society groups (IGC, BB, APC and IRP)
together agreed that, no this arrangement is not acceptable to us (Please
let me know if this is *not* what people thing got agreed) and decided to
send a letter to Brazilians to the effect, and also putting forward 4 CS
Liaisons, who were requested to be invited to all meetings related to
organising the Brazil meeting. (Quite inexplicably though the drafting and
sending of the letter got highly delayed even after this
decision.)<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Caroline, you, and Joana and Laura were 3 liaisons .
Why did you not keep us posted about what was happening in Brazil... Did you
insist that you be invited to all meetings? If so, what was their response?
Why did you not share their response with all of us? Why when, while such is
in any case the duty of any CS rep, the letter clearly said that the
Liaisons will keep CS groups posted about developments. However, whereas
much has happened since that time, I dont remember a single report by the
liaisons to us. Carlos used to report but then he had to drop out since he
was made a member of LOG. But what about the three
of you?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">When after the last LOG meeting, we got the
bombshell that it has been officially decided that 1Net will as you say
'filter ALL conversations with CGI' I wrote repeatedly to this list
requesting CS Liaisons to bring us to speed about what is happening. In
fact, even Ian (and I think Jeremy) asked for some information about what
was happening. But NONE of you responded to any of our
requests....<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I think. sorry for my words, but this is about
a public duty, and seeking accountability about it, this is a clear
abdication of the role that you all were given as CS reps... I am sure there
must be an explanation of this somewhere, in which case please do share it.
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Thanks, parminder <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">So, it is better to write to Adiel, not just to
CGI. Here is Adiel email if you prefer to do so: Adiel Akplogan <<A
href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net">adiel@afrinic.net</A>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Carol (in my personal capacity)
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