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<font face="Verdana">I remember reading somewhere that ICANN has a
board decision/ document about the logic of the lead up to the
Brazil meeting but that was kept secret.... Is it out now... Or is
it purely my imagination, in which case my apologies.. parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 08 January 2014 08:37 PM,
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<div>Superb, and true.<br>
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<div>Indeed, indeed, Parminder!</div>
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The 1net idea was brought to a I-stars meeting after the
NSA scandal and the 'trust' crisis/issue over the
current asymmetric domination. 1net is an ICANN idea and
since then has been pushed by ICANN. It is amusing to
note that thanks to the Montevideo statement, the
existence of these meetings has now become a public
information - a very-behind-close-doors-meetings!! The
I-stars meetings were not publicized before the NSA
scandal pressures the I-stars. "We didn't want to
attract attention!! apologized the 11 CEOs part of the
I-stars, all them putting their signature at the bottom
line of the Montevideo statement ( in reaction to the
crisis!). They survived WCIT but not Snowden.
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<div>Lynn Saint Amour, ISOC CEO in 2013, admitted in a
recorded meeting during last ICANN 48 that she and
other I-stars CEOs were first reluctant to the 1net
idea. Would 1net be a competitor to ISOC and its
chapters if you only think of ISOC's view of 1net?
Other reasons were discussed.</div>
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<div>It is crystal clear to any political advisor with
some experience that 1net is a political extravaganza
set to bring some sort of legitimacy to ICANN and its
plan to bake an international dressing and menu, in
order to keep as much as possible the asymmetry
acceptable. It is also a bright move to try to bring
back as many civil society voices under a I-stars
overview/control. But some elements of the
international civil society are not governable from
the US, (when they exist and wherever they are
located). 1net has also a dilution effect over the
IGF, which is still a UN 'thing'. 1net would take away
from the IGF some of its relevance - even though one
can admit that the IGF was stalling. The bestbit, the
1net, the High Level Panel by the ICANN... all of that
converge to take the IGF down to a not-able venue - We
the French have made a word with the not-able, <i>les
notables</i>, the ones having the impression that
they are the important guys around. No one better than
a <i>notable</i> can keep a status quo safe. <i>Notables</i>
are usually conservatives (of their status and
advantages) by nature. A little bit like the I-stars
and their <i>aficionados</i>.</div>
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<div>ISOC could have been the natural 1net but is too
much of a US entity, even though it has offices around
the world. The 1net idea is to shift civil society and
other Internet actors under an ICANN umbrella, an
umbrella being revamped as some sort of International
organization (IO). Even though it would be a fake IO,
this new ICANN would be an embarrassment to any
initiative coming from or endorsed by a multilateral,
or international law related, oriented body. </div>
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<div>The I-stars are defending themselves from trying to
lower the IGF capacity. They have recently stated
that, indeed, IGF deserves more funds, and that the
I-stars should think about giving to the IGF. This
UN-WSIS venue is today functioning with a miserable
budget, even in comparison to the ICANN communication
budget, or the ISOC large revenues thank to PIR and
its selling of domains with .net, .org.... With such a
poor financial condition, the IGF has to turn to
sometime evil government willing to show some good
face on the occasion by hosting the IGF meeting.
Azerbaijan and others have been financially correct
and grata. After all, isn't it fair to associate the
UN with rogue states looking for friends. And make
sure that everyone confuses the UN with them.</div>
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<div>Nothing could be more effective than providing
notables with some more $ as they enjoy could table,
and days of peace in remote location whether in
California, Bali or Argentina to meet, discuss and
blunder. We all remember that a few notables agreed to
be paid for their personal views over IG when
attending the London High level panel meeting set by
the ICANN few weeks ago. What was the budget on this
one? 50 guests... Maybe the IGF would be happy to get
this money to investigate more about the financial
practice over inter-connected networks and data
carriers, providers and miners. Or launch an honest
survey of ideas to improve IG practice.</div>
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<div>So, will the ICANN-1net plan work out? Will it be
said: "<i>Tout va bien madame la marquise</i>"?</div>
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<div>It is not hard to imagine that this will bring
legitimate reactions from many 'stakeholders'. Outside
of 1net. Outside of ICANN et al.</div>
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<div>Brazil might already have lost its 'time'. Brazil
and others.</div>
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<div>Enough will soon be enough</div>
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<div>Le 8 janv. 2014 à 13:26, parminder a écrit :</div>
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<div>On Wednesday 08 January 2014 05:34 PM,
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<div>It's crystal clear in the
beginning of Adiel's report.
The meeting was between LOG
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<div>Hmm....i think that may need to
be reworded Louis as i don't think
1NET=ICANN but my understanding
is that 1NET=Various Stakeholders
(including ICANN). So i expect the
meeting was between LOG and 1NET<br>
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I remember John Curran, who was at the Monte
Video meeting where 1Net idea arose, saying
quite recently on this list something to the
effect that 1Net is yet just an e-
discussion space, and it can become what its
steering committee (which hasnt met yet) may
want it to become...<br>
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I havent seen simple e-lists being suddenly
invited to co-own and co-shape global
meetings. Have you? Does it not appear
strange. And for getting such an invitation
to come into the centre of Brazil meeting
hosting space, one has to really push hard,
and have a lot of power. (I know also
because some well established civil society
groups tried - together - to enter this
'hosting space' and got no response.)..
These are power games... 1Net itself is
hardly in a position to do the pushing... So
whoever has the power and is using it to
come to the centre of Brazil meeting hosting
space is 1Net at the moment. Follows
logically, whether we like it or not. <br>
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parminder<br>
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