<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div> (Apart of the personal side, and as I mentioned to Parminder, I do not take things personal - so that was an exception Ian, because it was personal :-) ) <br><br>What disturbs me the most is that this email shows that there are groups withing groups. And this groups do not seem to be working groups, but groups that are ok with "ruptures at any point" (and I prefer to keep to myself what this may mean). And this worries me incredibly. It creates lots of trouble regarding the process we all agreed to in a certain moment and it also exposes all of us as CS. <br>
<br>I am part of many other movements (open government, open data for science, free culture, open education, open access for publications, etc) and the cooperation and trust is much more present, which makes all the work, our strategies and positions move better. Plus, we are probably happier and more positive. <br>
<br>I feel that if we do not have a true commitment with the group and also if we are not willing to open spaces for new comers, our movement may have a very dark end. I have been witnessing over the list - which actually make me sad, and I am sure overburdens lots of people here - the personal attacks, and the difficult we seem to have in "letting go" or "in trusting". I worked with cooperation theory, and I think if we were all part of a prisoners' dilemma game, we would all be dead by now due to our long long prison sentences. ;-)<br>
<br>I preferred to be quiet when the attacks start, but again, I think it is just sad and a distraction from the real work. I have actually been thinking of ways to deal with that...such as having a working wiki where the real content driven work can happen and we list the content and strategy topics being discussed (which is also a better way to document work and find consensus) while folks keep debating interesting things on the list (or other issues...).<br>
<br></div>The only other similar community I have known (and also participated in) is the Wikipedia. You have to have a real rough skin over there...hehehe. But they do get things done by using a knowledge management platform - a wiki. <br>
<br></div>Anyway....I will take care of other work now, of my beautiful 3 year-old and have a glass of wine (which I humbly recommend to all), hoping we all find ways of trusting ourselves as a group and our processes better. <br>
<br></div>Hugs to all, (yes, I am Brazilian and thus a big hugger) :-)<br><br></div>Carol<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Burcu Kilic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bkilic@citizen.org" target="_blank">bkilic@citizen.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I second that. Carol is a strong advocate for developing countries, particularly Latin America. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">She is a proud Brazilian when it comes to work. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carolina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ian Peter<br><b>Cc:</b> Ian Peter; <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Shortlists for Brazil for further consideration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Btw... I am Brazilian and even leaving in US, I have TONS of work in developing world, my day by day work is focused on developing work, and just moved to the US because my husband is american. I do TONS of pro bono work on A2K, education, and ICTs in Brazil and other Latin American and South Asia countries. So it is NOT true I would not represent a developing country view.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am very honored by the votes and the trust.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 8, 2014, at 4:02 PM, "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">OMG... clearly not meant for this list and my sincere apologies to everyone. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">this was an awful mistake on my part... <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" title="ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">Ian Peter</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Thursday, January 09, 2014 7:43 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" title="bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [bestbits] Shortlists for Brazil for further consideration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks everyone for prompt replies – below is a summary of your responses and the candidates still under consideration (although there is nothing to stop us bringing forward other names later on if we want to)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">HLC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Carolina Rossini – 3.5 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jovan K – 3 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mark Rotenberg – 3 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Joana Varon 2.5 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Milton Mueller 2 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Parminder Singh 2 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Stephanie Perrin 1 vote<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Louis Pouzin 1 vote<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Marilia Maciel 1 vote<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">SOME COMMENTS AND ISSUES<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The brief here is </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">“T</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">his committee will set the high level political tone and objectives of the</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">conference. Committee members will engage on a global level with stakeholders to</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">encourage participation in the conference and maximize its chances of success” </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Bear in mind also that (my paraphrasing) the aim of the meeting seems to be to develop a set of high level principles for Internet Governance. </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">We dont know yet whether we need 3 or 4 candidates, and probably wont know till Saturday. I think our aim between now and then should be to try and narrow down our field a bit and eliminate some names if possible. But in doing so:</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style>Carolina Rossini, Jovan K and Marc Rotenberg got the most support initially – not that we need to be bound by this. They are all impressive candidates.</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style>If Marc was in, we probably couldn’t include Milton – 2 US males would not be a good decision politically. Milton also probably fits as an academic – but as he is likely to be running the process to select academic candidates, he may not be able to include himself. Maybe we should seek clarification here?</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style>If Carolina was in, we probably wouldn’t include Joana or Marilia</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style>None of our first 3 would be considered to be a strong advocate for third world issues. If we thought it was important to include someone with this perspective, the choices would be Louis Pouzin or Parminder Singh. Parminder has indicated he would step down in favour of Louis Pouzin, and we may need to consider that Parminder is a member of the CI (Community Informatics) Nomcom also considering candidates for these very same positions (but with about 6 candidates and very little chance of their nominees being accepted) . That may be perceived as a conflict of interest, or we could ignore it. But some people have already suggested to me informally that Parminder has a conflict of interest here. </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style>Also to just note re Stephanie Perrin – if Marc Rotenberg was in we might consider we have privacy issues well covered; but if in our final slate we wanted to include Milton and leave Marc out to not have too many male US citizens Stephanie is an option to cover privacy. </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So lots of issues.Let’s discuss and see if we can narrow down a little while we await info as to whether we need 3 or 4 names.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">EC<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Marilia Maciel 3.5 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Adam Peake 3 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Joana Varon 2 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Nadira Alaraj 1.5 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Carolina Rossini 1.5 votes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Stephanie Perrin 1 vote<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Norbert Bollow 1 vote<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Birgitta Jonsdottr .5<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Parminder Singh .5<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">SOME COMMENTS AND ISSUES<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">The brief here is “This committee owns the full responsibility of organizing the event, including: defining conference purpose/agenda, managing invitations, organizing input received into a coherent set of proposals for the conferees to address, managing conference proceedings and process, and directing all communications activities pre/during/post conference. This committee will include 2 civil society representatives”.</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">I think we need to determine HLC before finalising here. However Marilia and Adam have the strongest support at this stage. We again face the issue here of having a strong advocate for third world issues as a factor in deciding our final 2. </span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Over to you all for comments, suggestions, and attempts to narrow this down further!</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Ian Peter</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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