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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 25, 2013 8:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Guru </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Mangal","serif"'>गुरु</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>Cc:</b> Best Bits<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Call to Best Bits participants for nominations to Brazil meeting committees<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Snip…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>One logic could be that many people who believe their views to be consistent with advancing the interests of the underrepresented/marginalized would have opposing positions on how to do that. So how then does one select on this criteria, other than based on the views of the selectors, who’s the most aggressive and persistent, etc?<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[MG>] this of course could be said of any possible criteria… but one way of proceeding would be to examine whether those making the claim had any bonifides in the area… <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Neither Jeanette, Avri or I are saying CS shouldn’t be concerned about ensuring representation of underrepresented/marginalized views/groups, but rather that this is a hard criteria to apply in a fair and neutral manner in a nomination process. <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[MG>] as above… how on earth are you going to apply your “kindergarten” “niceness” criteria apart from getting together with your mates and passing around gossip, as an example… And of course, this is silliness… The CI network is not claiming to be exclusive in this area or any other area but it is claiming to have real expertise and experience and a real network behind it and is challenging any of the other “contestants” here to demonstrate anything similar… The real question is whether these voices should be heard and you and your mates’ are making the assertion that they should not, for a bunch of truly specious reasons/arguments… The issue isn’t select but be inclusive, transparent etc.etc. all the things that the WSIS Declaration called for and that is currently being denied.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>its problematic to believe some criteria though important, are difficult to apply and can be avoided - (be aware) this is ideology of 'club membership' (re gurstein's mail) in operation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[MG>] huh?<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>BTW, since you folks could pull your criteria out of the air and have them suddenly and without discussion or consultation appear as defining criteria for CS participation what about my 3 criteria (or for that matter and of an endless stream of even more highly individual focused criteria meant to narrow the discussion and hand pick the participants… “All of those not born on odd numbered Tuesdays will by definition and fiat of the Central Committee no longer be recognized as Civil Society…</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>.<br>To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:<br> <a href="http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits">http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino","serif";color:black'><br>*******************************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow & Lecturer<br> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br> University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br> ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (direct), <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a> (lists),<br> <a href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>********************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>