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On 12/24/2013 07:58 PM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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<div>On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Guru गुरु <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:guru@itforchange.net">guru@itforchange.net</a>>
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One logic could be that many people who believe their views to
be consistent with advancing the interests of
the underrepresented/marginalized would have opposing
positions on how to do that. So how then does one select on
this criteria, other than based on the views of the selectors,
who’s the most aggressive and persistent, etc? </div>
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<div>Neither Jeanette, Avri or I are saying CS shouldn’t be
concerned about ensuring representation of
underrepresented/marginalized views/groups, but rather that
this is a hard criteria to apply in a fair and neutral manner
in a nomination process. <br>
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its problematic to believe some criteria though important, are
difficult to apply and can be avoided - (be aware) this is ideology
of 'club membership' (re gurstein's mail) in operation.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>What a surprise to to hear that your ideology thinks it knows all about my ideology and can explain my every utterance based on its preferred willful misconstruction thereof.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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<div>In contrast, the ability to work well with other
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what seems so easily fair to you, is perhaps just your ideology in
operation<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Or at least your ideology’s misconstruction of my ideology.</div><div><br></div><div>My, what a productive conversation.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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It would be useful for you to reflect on how much this ideology
played a role in your being selected for the High Level Panel
process as an “expert” advisor, while Milton Muller (who is known to
speak his mind without worrying about 'being nice') was actually one
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(this may seem below the belt, request you to reflect on it in a
non-personal manner)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>No, it is entirely what I would expect of what you and what Parminder would call “your ilk”—a pathetic attempt at misrepresentation of readily knowable facts in order to score cheap political points. </div><div><br></div><div>In any event, this enlightening exchange underscored the concerns Avri raised your criteria's likely abuse in the service of a narrow ideology and the value of considering representatives who are inclined to interact with others in a civil and professional manner.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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