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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Point taken Milton given this ongoing rush of events, as much cs-self-transparency as possible is welcome/required, so thanks Bill for sharing and good luck!
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There is a difference in role/responsibility between being an appointed cs expert contributor and process facilitator, and designated CS rep.
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And there's room for more than a few more cesers in both categories I suggest, which would also help distribute the work-load.<br>
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And, would lend further instant global credibility by demonstrate Fadi's/ICANN's/1net's/hllm's/whomever's good faith efforts to lead an all-inclusive step-forward effort towards and beyond Brazil.
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PS Yeah Fadi that's a hint that we want more ; )<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 09, 2013 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bestbits@lists.bestbits.net> Best Bits<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Let me be indelicate enough to raise an issue that probably no one wants to deal with but needs to be raised. And despite certain appearances, it is not a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">The IGC, and several other groups, worked together to forward two recommended names to the President of ICANN.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Congrats to some extent on being appointed to this HLLM, but your name was not on that CS-provided list, Bill. At this stage of the game I am certainly not
suggesting that you turn it down, but one does want to know what kind of a process we are in and what kind of criteria are being applied?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Other people are asking us for recommended lists of names for various positions. Aside from the usual junk associated with people positioning for these things,
we need to assess the good faith and cooperative spirit of those who are making these requests. To put a finer point on it, what are the implications of CS being asked to provide recommended names, providing them, and then having a completely different name
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I know it’s an uncomfortable topic but I think we’d have to be self-delusional not to discuss it.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 9, 2013 4:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Governance; Adam Peake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> McTim McTim; bestbits@lists.bestbits.net> Best Bits<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve mentioned this to a couple people privately and should probably state publicly as well that I will be participating in the High Level Panel process as an “expert” advisor, e.g. in London I’ll be giving a talk about the nature of IG,
running a break out session, etc. I believe there may be a couple other people from other SGs similarly appointed, TBC. I don’t know how they intend to deal with the request for a CS “representative” panel member, but understand nothing will happen in time
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have suggested publicly announcing the agenda and providing options for people to provide written inputs, we’ll see what happens. The London meeting is in four days and there’s a lot late rushing around to pull it together, so it’s a
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ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org" target="_blank">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:</p>
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"USC, University of Southern California-Annenberg Foundation as well<br>
as the World Economic Forum, the WEF, have partnered with us so we<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for this Ian, could someone please explain to me what is meant by<br>
this fifth panel as more independent (in partnership with two other<br>
organizations.. Is he referring to Inet here? Who are the other two<br>
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[<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] On Behalf Of Ian Peter<br>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:34 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Adam Peake<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps<br>
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Hi Adam,<br>
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Because it would be inappropriate I am deliberately not taking on a role of<br>
coordinating back to various networks as that is what the various reps<br>
should do. But here is the reply from Fadi to Robin (copied to the reps<br>
earlier).<br>
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Hello Robin,<br>
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I hope you had a good thanksgiving holiday. I took several days off and<br>
regained a lot of energy after our busy week in Buenos Aires. I just got<br>
back and ready for the next phase of work.<br>
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As I noted below and in Buenos Aires, we were never in a position to grow<br>
the panel any further. In BA, however, after the panel was announced, we<br>
made a final commitment to add only one panelist from the cc community, and<br>
only one more from civil society -- understanding the need for broader<br>
participation. Byron Holland from the cc community agreed to serve while in<br>
Buenos Aires.<br>
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At this stage, and now that we have established this fifth panel as more<br>
independent (in partnership with two other organizations), I will need to<br>
confer with our partners on your request, as well as with the Chairman of<br>
the panel. I predict that they will be sensitive to diversity.<br>
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I cannot meet with the chairman until next week on Wednesday. I will keep<br>
you posted. It may be a little late for London but rest assured that Frank<br>
La Rue, Lynn St. Amour, and myself will have our communities interests very<br>
vigilantly on top of our agendas.<br>
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Fadi<br>
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From: Adam Peake<br>
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:03 PM<br>
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To: Ian Peter<br>
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Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> ;
<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
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Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps<br>
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Hi Ian,<br>
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Any reply to the CS coalition's recommendations? The high level panel is<br>
due to meet December 12-13 (London), a week from now.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Adam<br>
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On Nov 30, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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