<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">Hi Bill,<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br>On 5 December 2013 17:22, William Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi<div><br><div><div class="im"><div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Anja Kovacs <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I agree that Rafik would be a good choice.<br><br>What I'm not so clear about is why the four Brazilian liaisons should also continue to be de facto representatives in the 1net Steering Committee,</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>My understanding was that they are liaisons to the Brazilians directly, rather than representatives to 1net. I thought BB decided to work outside 1net. That’s why I asked how it could also be nominating people to 1net…no reply.</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When it comes to the Brazil meeting, we had decided to engage with the Brazilian government directly. But that doesn't mean we can't engage with 1net at all, right? I personally think it is quite valuable to have those discussions across many different groups - I feel that I am already learning a lot about other people's views on these things just by reading the conversations on 1net.<br>
<br>So I don't think 1net should be a structure of representation, at least not at the moment, but I do think we should engage with it, and also contribute to shaping it - and then perhaps it could also evolve into a structure of representation in the future, once it is more clear what 1net's role really is and what it can do.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div></div><div>Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems to me BB should choose to either be in or out rather than claim a right to have more sources of access to the process than other networks…?</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's presuming 1net is a structure of representation linked into the Brazil meeting, which as you say, CS had agreed that at least for us it is not. Participation can also be purely about engaging in relevant conversations already before the actual Brazil meeting, and likely beyond as well, though, and it is there that I think we can all benefit even now. <br>
<br></div><div>Best,<br>Anja<br></div><div><div><br><br>Bill</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div> if such a thing is indeed going to be put into place immediately (I quite liked Andrew Sullivan's suggestions on the 1net email list to simply let people take up responsibility for things they are interested in for now). <br>
<br>As Jeremy argued, when there are really good candidates, I'm ok with people being representatives on both the Brazil committees and on 1net, and I can imagine that it would be good to have one or two Brazilians on both, to make the link. But now that 1net has been delinked in many ways from Brazil, surely it would be good to have a broader representation there? Even if I am sure they'd all do a great job, somehow having four out of five 1net reps being Brazilian just doesn't seem like the right balance to me....<br>
<br></div>What do others think?<br><br></div>Best,<br>Anja<br><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 December 2013 15:51, William Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">Hi</div><div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">
<br></div><div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">Rafik is the elected chair of NCSG, which comprises a) NCUC, with 313 members from 78 countries, including 88 noncommercial organizations and 225 individuals; b) NPOC, with 52 nonprofit organizations in a couple dozen countries; and c) some free floating individual members that are in neither constituency. NCSG dwarfs in size most other networks in this space, operates in a transparent and accountable manner, and has ongoing working relations with other stakeholder groups and ICANN, so one would think he’d be an obvious choice.</div>
<div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman"><br></div><div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">Best,</div><div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman"><br></div><div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">Bill</div><div><br style="font-family:Palatino-Roman">
<div style="font-family:Palatino-Roman"><div>On Dec 4, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
On 4 Dec 2013, at 11:37 pm, Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Robin Gross? Rafik?<div>
I have a feeling that could be interesting to have the same people in different committees to ensure that we have clear information (or make the questions to try to gather better information based on a cross-fora observation). I am just not sure they are part of BB. They are part of other CS coalitions... </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That isn't necessarily a barrier. But in the case of Robin Gross, she is not eligible as she is on the joint committee. Rafik seems like a good choice, if he is willing (we'll ask).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, the whole question about these nominations are necessary has just been reopened on the 1net list, so who knows whether things may change... at least, we are hoping to get more time to come back with names (perhaps until 16 December).</div>
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