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Dear Jeremy,<br>
I am forwarding my earlier mail on your 'now is not the right time'
argument. <br>
Guru<br>
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<td>Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your
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<td>Guru गुरु <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Guru@ITforChange.net"><Guru@ITforChange.net></a></td>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/21/2013 01:54 PM, Jeremy
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<div>On 20 Nov 2013, at 10:59 pm, michael gurstein <<a
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in the post-Snowden world “trust us” is not a
sufficient answer—only transparency and
accountability are.</span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As long as the
Steering Committee is self-appointed through murky
procedures and as long as this self-appointed
(Interim or no) Steering Committee chooses to act
(and present itself to the world) as though it has a
mandate to act on behalf of the BB grouping whatever
that might be, there will necessarily and quite
reasonably be a lack of trust and questions as to
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<div>Actually the only such questions are coming from within;
we are undermining ourselves, and to my mind unnecessarily
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Jeremy,<br>
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when questions regarding trust/credibility come from within, even
more reason to address it. Do you want to wait till outsiders (who
are perhaps relatively ignorant of the black box nature of the
steering committee working) raise this issue and sink BB
credibility completely? <br>
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<div> Snowden did not tar civil society with the same brush as
the NSA. We have presented an interim procedure for
democratising the steering committee in Bali, which remains
open for discussion and will be implemented soon once
finalised, but to rush its finalisation now at a time when
leadership is required would be pointless and would simply
remove us from some very important processes that are
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you are making an assumption that this is binary - either we
engage with substantive issues or focus on process. Is is really
possible to separate the two so easily... What if BB's valuable
contributions are seen as tainted by 'murky' process later and
hence not given their due?<br>
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regards,<br>
Guru<br>
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