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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 02 December 2013 01:48 PM,
Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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We are not really doing anything on anyone's behalf, just
facilitating the participants' independent engagement in IG
processes on a volunteer basis; </blockquote>
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Jeremy, you know this is not true and just a facile front, the
'platform' meme, which I said at Bali could become a way of doing
things without responsibility... and I increasingly see my
prediction come true - important things being done with
responsibility denied, in this manner, as you say, 'we are not doing
anything on anyone's behalf'. <br>
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How can you say this. You of course are doing things on BB's behalf.
The letter about 4 liaisons to Brazil meeting was signed on behalf
of BB network, you are in the joint civil society coordination/
nominating committee on the behalf of BB network, you take decisions
on what statement to host on the BB platform and which not on the
behalf of BB network, you accept and implement some suggestions on
this list and ignore others, exercising authority I understand on
behalf of BB, you meet outside actors who recognise you as BB reps,
I understand even funds are being sought on BB's behalf.... and
there seem to be so many other things slated to be done in the name
of BB network..<br>
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All this is normally very fine for a network to do , and to do it
effectively, of course some kind of structure has to be evolved...
But it does not help to keep saying we really do nothing, as a
standard response to questions about propriety of processes, etc...
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<blockquote cite="mid:529C4259.7040403@ciroap.org" type="cite">so
that's why the energy being diverted into this issue is so
misplaced. Based on the procedures wiki that was launched ahead
of the Bali meeting (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://bestbits.net/wiki/main/procedures/">http://bestbits.net/wiki/main/procedures/</a>),
there are proposals for the steering committee to be able to do
various things, mostly quite trivial, which you can find by just
searching for "steering" in that page.<br>
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One of those proposals was that we would offer a service to
compile expressions of interest received for nominations to other
groups, and to post those back to the main list for approval by
consensus. </blockquote>
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For seeking a consensus there has to be some bare minimum
description of a process of consensus. ... I have seen a kind of
consensus declared when one or two people speak in favour, with more
than that number having spoken again the process itself being
totally ignored. <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:529C4259.7040403@ciroap.org" type="cite">But
even this was received with suspicion, so we stepped away from it,
and meanwhile a new joint civil society group has come together to
do essentially the same thing (since, one way or another, it needs
doing).<br>
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Nonetheless, this proposed procedure (and all the others) remain
up for discussion. <br>
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Really! Does it remain up for discussion? I though it wasnt. I find
a very hostile stance of concerned responsibility owners to any
process discussion here. This is no way to conduct a process
discussion. For instance, twice recently when I tried a discussion
on process I was told by you things like - this is my last email on
this issue, please take this discussion offline with you or the
steering committee, which is a strange thing to say since I was in
fact discussing the role for steering committee. <br>
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As I suggested already, I am done with raising process issues here,
unless I see some real willingness among those given the
responsibility to conduct this group to have an honest and open
process related discussion. I would not even have written this
email but could not digest two clear misrepresentations in your
email - that 'you do nothing on BB's behalf' and 'that a discussion
on process is always open'. <br>
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Wishing you the very best!<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:529C4259.7040403@ciroap.org" type="cite">But
it makes no sense to rush this and to divert our limited,
volunteer energies into developing a perfect set of processes for
Best Bits when there are more important substantive issues to be
dealing with related to the Brazil meeting, enhanced cooperation
process, and so on. At least, I, for one, don't have time to do
both, and I know which I'd rather be working on.<br>
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So that's why I favour Anriette's proposal, which is more
realistic and achieveable, over Michael's which I feel displays a
little unnecessarily paranoia about the interim steering
committee's powers and motives.<br>
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