<div dir="ltr">Jeremy,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="im">On 30 Nov 2013, at 9:31 pm, McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com" target="_blank">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Also, if someone could guide me to a space where I can find out more about "multi-equal-stakeholderism" and its origins, I'd be grateful - first time I hear about this.<br></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>This is a very good question. I don't know much about non-Internet-y multi-equal-ness, but I think the purest form of multi-equal stakeholderism in IG can be found in some of the RIR PDPs and the IETF processes.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><br></div></div><div>It's an odd choice of example</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It's a great example. Can you name other settings in Internet policy that has folks operating as equals without being divided by silos? Where government folks and CS and people who run telco networks all have the same status? </div>
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<div>, since many would say the IETF is not multi-stakeholder all, </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I've never met anyone who has ever said that. Are you actually trying to make that claim?</div><div><br>
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since it does not recognise stakeholder groups.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Stakeholder groupings are artificial boundaries imposed on us at WSIS by government types.</div><div><br></div><div>It is NOT the way Internet policy has been made during the first 3 decades of Internet existence.</div>
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<div> Where multi-equal stakeholderism is usually used specifically in reference to organisations that do recognise stakeholder groups, to indicate that they should be equal to one another in process terms. </div></div>
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I refuse to limit the use of that term to fora which use artificial boundaries between people.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div> This distinguishes it from forms of multi-stakeholderism like at the OECD and purportedly at the ITU, that don't recognise equality between the stakeholders. So it's an attempt to refine the term multi-stakeholderism. I have to say, I don't really like the term though.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I really like it, it describes the IG processes I am most active in quite well. </div><div><br></div><div>Last week, in Abidjan for instance, there were several hundred folks from Africa and elsewhere getting together to work on resource policies for the African region. Here is the list of those participants.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-19/en/meeting/participants">http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-19/en/meeting/participants</a> slect "all" then "apply" to see entire list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>A you can see there are folks from ALL Stakeholder groupings that WSIS divided us into, but we do not recognise those boundaries. We discuss policies and ideas as equals. So a government Minister is equal to a router jockey. Ideas win on merit. Policies decided by consensus. We all put forth what we think is in the best interests of the Internet in Africa. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I think it is the "shining city on the hill" of Internet governance. I think all IG should be done that way, in a "multi-equal" manner.</div><div><br></div><div>rgds,</div><div><br>
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