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Hi Anriette,<br>
<br>
Thanks for these important insights. I find this a very bizarre
situation - that CS has to rotate people out despite the fact that
most have not had the opportunity to fill what seems to be commonly
accepted 3 year term (would love to know where that may be in
writing, however). In fact short of those who do not wish to
continue and voluntarily step down, I really don't see why any of
the CS reps should be rotated out. This process needs to be based
on term limits rather than arbitrary rotations (and all those who
have been on for more than 3 years should do the right thing and
step down).<br>
<br>
Matthew<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/11/2013 14:27, Anriette
Esterhuysen wrote:<br>
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Dear all<br>
<br>
It is one of those weeks for me. Sorry.. I have not been able to
follow this adequately. We are revising proposals, logframes and
we are having an APC council meeting. <br>
I just wanted to add one piece of clarification. The current CS
MAG members have all served for under 2 years, with one
exception. For reasons that I still don't fully understand, the
UN over-rotated CS members on the MAG. This had a very dramatic
impact on CS's influence in the MAG. <br>
<br>
Other stakeholder groups have not been as dramatically rotated,
and there are some individuals that have stayed on since the
beginning. The reason this happens I can share because I demanded
to know and managed to get clarification from New York. The reason
is that tech and business re-nominate people every year, and they
give the secretariat a 'full slate' that includes names to be
retired, and names to be added.<br>
<br>
Coming back to CS. Here is the current listing of people and the
year they joined. As you can see, they joined in May 2012 or
later, with one exception. This does not mean we don't need
rotation. There are some people that have not worked hard enough
for reasons of being too busy, unableI to come to meetings
(funding is not always available), or just lacking confidence. MAG
work is not easy. In my view that means they should not remain.
But there are some people on this list who have worked very hard,
and who have managed to push through some difficult and
challenging debates and I do think that it is important to keep
them.<br>
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<font size="3">Subi Chaturvedi: 2013</font> <br>
<br>
Anriette - writing in my capacity as an individual who has served
on the MAG since May 2012 and who would like to remain for another
term. <br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/11/2013 16:09, Joana Varon
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALTAiToW+XjxPHN6its06TNHK4foR4FyK_uKcgvB9wWdma2ORA@mail.gmail.com"
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<div>Dear all, <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Please, allow me to raise a suggestion of the broader
procedure: <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
I see this issue is getting complicated and sensitive and,
particularly reading Mawaki's email, I sense that there is
some misunderstandings that are particularly coming up
from the fact that part of the people in the list didn't
attend BB meeting in Bali and deserve some clarification
about what happened there. <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I know that everybody is really busy as since Bali the
pace of events is accelerated (and on my case particularly
overwhelmed with Brazil meeting issues), but I might be
really useful if the steering make a joined effort to
manage to report back from the meeting, particularly about
the session on BB structure, so whoever that reads the
wiki procedures will also have this background info.<br>
</div>
<br>
In the main while, let's try to trust each other a little
bit... I'm pretty totally comfortable to reaffirm that there
is a lot of good will within the steering, sometime we
stumble in procedures, true, we are all testing methods, its
part of the task, but are also truly open for suggestions
and to implement changes. So, please, be sure concerns
raised here are being heard. Let's just not block important
things to get done. <br>
<br>
Therefore, I would suggest that we keep this thread to at
least have the list of people that BB would like to suggest,
having in mind the issue raised about indicating or not
people that are already there. Deciding if it is going
through IGC or not would be the next (complicated) step. <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>all the best<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>joana<br>
</div>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM,
Marianne Franklin <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear all<br>
<br>
Could I suggest that all the names of anyone going up
for the MAG from both current slates (i.e. run by the
IGC and being collated through Best Bits) be posted so
that we can inform other networks of who is standing. <br>
<br>
Whether they are looking to stand as an IGC nominee or
Best Bits nominee can be noted. <br>
<br>
Ongoing, and important discussions about the Best Bits
governance structure need to continue, and as a member
of the interim BB Steering as well as co-Chair of the
IRP Coalition I support the need for clarity here too.
But right at this moment as the list and candidates
form, it would be good for anyone else considering
standing for the MAG to know who is currently doing so.
If a person is standing in two places could they
nominate which one they are opting for too to save space
and time?<br>
<br>
Also, I join those affirmations of the work done by all
standing MAG members, in this case from civil society,
who are continuing. Thank you all for the hard and often
unrewarded and unrelenting work on this group. <br>
<br>
best<br>
MF
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<div>On 20/11/2013 10:17, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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<div>(Replying from phone.) I had suggested off
this list that we omit any mention of the
incumbent MAG members and limit our candidates
to those who will fill slots that will be open
anyway. If we clarify that we support the
continuation of the candidates who are eligible
for continuing, and drop the specific candidates
mentioned, this may help?<br>
<br>
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Good day, I think its important for
continuity especially as in my opinion
the current CS MAG members are doing a
great work and have really put in a lot
of time to this , I concur will Bill
and strongly belief in the overall
continuity of all current CS MAG members<br>
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<div>Just woke up and am rushing to a
meeting but would appreciate
clarification. When was the call
for nominations, when was the
deadline for submission, and when
was the period in which list members
then expressed views either way
before you decided to go ahead?
Some of us are a bit busy in Buenos
Aires dealing with Brazil meeting
and such and are awash in a tidal
wave of communications and meetings,
so I at least missed all this. </div>
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<div>By selecting these six names,
including just two current CS MAG
members, do you wish to convey to
the Secretariat and DESA that you do
not support the continued
participation of all the current CS
MAG members not listed, irrespective
of the time and work they’ve put in,
how long they’ve been been on it,
etc?</div>
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<div>It seems unduly abrupt, so please
note my objection as well.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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style="font-family:Verdana">As
said before, I do not
agree to steering
committee choosing MAG
nominees, or other
kinds of reps, or next
steering committee's
membership, and so
on.... These are
serious. important
issues which should
have a clear,
transparent,
accountable and thus
legitimate process
around it. And I dont
see that in place.</span></div>
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<div>We have not chosen the
MAG nominees, we have
simply collected the
nominations, suggested
criteria that could be
used to evaluate them, and
forwarded them back to the
main list with a
recommendation. Although
your objection was noted,
most others were
comfortable with this
process and since we do
not have voting or
membership as such, we
decided to go ahead. If
appropriate your objection
could probably be noted in
some way in the letter
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