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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joana and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately in the post-Snowden world “trust us” is not a sufficient answer—only transparency and accountability are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As long as the Steering Committee is self-appointed through murky procedures and as long as this self-appointed (Interim or no) Steering Committee chooses to act (and present itself to the world) as though it has a mandate to act on behalf of the BB grouping whatever that might be, there will necessarily and quite reasonably be a lack of trust and questions as to legitimacy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are two solutions, either open up the (Interim) Steering Committee to self-nominations, or have the (Interim) Steering Committee as its final act create and execute a (if necessary summary) procedure for selection (and thus legitimation). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If there are concerns about the Steering Committee being unworkable then decision making procedures should be proposed and confirmed by the BB list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Without the above, issues of legitimacy will, one would anticipate, undermine any actions/presentations/nominations coming out of BB in any case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joana Varon<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> Marianne Franklin<br><b>Cc:</b> <,bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>,<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please, allow me to raise a suggestion of the broader procedure: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I see this issue is getting complicated and sensitive and, particularly reading Mawaki's email, I sense that there is some misunderstandings that are particularly coming up from the fact that part of the people in the list didn't attend BB meeting in Bali and deserve some clarification about what happened there. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know that everybody is really busy as since Bali the pace of events is accelerated (and on my case particularly overwhelmed with Brazil meeting issues), but I might be really useful if the steering make a joined effort to manage to report back from the meeting, particularly about the session on BB structure, so whoever that reads the wiki procedures will also have this background info.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>In the main while, let's try to trust each other a little bit... I'm pretty totally comfortable to reaffirm that there is a lot of good will within the steering, sometime we stumble in procedures, true, we are all testing methods, its part of the task, but are also truly open for suggestions and to implement changes. So, please, be sure concerns raised here are being heard. Let's just not block important things to get done. <br><br>Therefore, I would suggest that we keep this thread to at least have the list of people that BB would like to suggest, having in mind the issue raised about indicating or not people that are already there. Deciding if it is going through IGC or not would be the next (complicated) step. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>all the best<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>joana<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Marianne Franklin <<a href="mailto:m.i.franklin@gold.ac.uk" target="_blank">m.i.franklin@gold.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all<br><br>Could I suggest that all the names of anyone going up for the MAG from both current slates (i.e. run by the IGC and being collated through Best Bits) be posted so that we can inform other networks of who is standing. <br><br>Whether they are looking to stand as an IGC nominee or Best Bits nominee can be noted. <br><br>Ongoing, and important discussions about the Best Bits governance structure need to continue, and as a member of the interim BB Steering as well as co-Chair of the IRP Coalition I support the need for clarity here too. But right at this moment as the list and candidates form, it would be good for anyone else considering standing for the MAG to know who is currently doing so. If a person is standing in two places could they nominate which one they are opting for too to save space and time?<br><br>Also, I join those affirmations of the work done by all standing MAG members, in this case from civil society, who are continuing. Thank you all for the hard and often unrewarded and unrelenting work on this group. <br><br>best<br>MF<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 20/11/2013 10:17, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>(Replying from phone.) I had suggested off this list that we omit any mention of the incumbent MAG members and limit our candidates to those who will fill slots that will be open anyway. If we clarify that we support the continuation of the candidates who are eligible for continuing, and drop the specific candidates mentioned, this may help?<br><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.<a href="http://e164.org" target="_blank">e164.org</a>|awk -F! '{print $3}'<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><b>WARNING</b>: This email has not been encrypted. You are strongly recommended to enable PGP or S/MIME encryption at your end. For instructions, see <a href="http://jere.my/l/8m" target="_blank" title="https://luxsci.com/blog/installing-smime-and-pgp-encryption-certificates-into-major-email-clients.html">http://jere.my/l/8m</a>.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 20 Nov 2013, at 6:10 pm, Poncelet Ileleji <<a href="mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm" target="_blank">pileleji@ymca.gm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hello Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Good day, I think its important for continuity especially as in my opinion the current CS MAG members are doing a great work and have really put in a lot of time to this , I concur will Bill and strongly belief in the overall continuity of all current CS MAG members<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Poncelet<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 20 November 2013 10:05, William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just woke up and am rushing to a meeting but would appreciate clarification. When was the call for nominations, when was the deadline for submission, and when was the period in which list members then expressed views either way before you decided to go ahead? Some of us are a bit busy in Buenos Aires dealing with Brazil meeting and such and are awash in a tidal wave of communications and meetings, so I at least missed all this. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>By selecting these six names, including just two current CS MAG members, do you wish to convey to the Secretariat and DESA that you do not support the continued participation of all the current CS MAG members not listed, irrespective of the time and work they’ve put in, how long they’ve been been on it, etc?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It seems unduly abrupt, so please note my objection as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 20 Nov 2013, at 1:25 pm, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>As said before, I do not agree to steering committee choosing MAG nominees, or other kinds of reps, or next steering committee's membership, and so on.... These are serious. important issues which should have a clear, transparent, accountable and thus legitimate process around it. And I dont see that in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have not chosen the MAG nominees, we have simply collected the nominations, suggested criteria that could be used to evaluate them, and forwarded them back to the main list with a recommendation. Although your objection was noted, most others were comfortable with this process and since we do not have voting or membership as such, we decided to go ahead. If appropriate your objection could probably be noted in some way in the letter that goes to the MAG.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B60%203%207726%201599" target="_blank">+60 3 7726 1599</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub |<a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone" target="_blank">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/" target="_blank">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#999999'>Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. 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