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Dear all<br>
<br>
It is one of those weeks for me. Sorry.. I have not been able to
follow this adequately. We are revising proposals, logframes and we
are having an APC council meeting. <br>
I just wanted to add one piece of clarification. The current CS MAG
members have all served for under 2 years, with one exception. For
reasons that I still don't fully understand, the UN over-rotated CS
members on the MAG. This had a very dramatic impact on CS's
influence in the MAG. <br>
<br>
Other stakeholder groups have not been as dramatically rotated, and
there are some individuals that have stayed on since the beginning.
The reason this happens I can share because I demanded to know and
managed to get clarification from New York. The reason is that tech
and business re-nominate people every year, and they give the
secretariat a 'full slate' that includes names to be retired, and
names to be added.<br>
<br>
Coming back to CS. Here is the current listing of people and the
year they joined. As you can see, they joined in May 2012 or later,
with one exception. This does not mean we don't need rotation. There
are some people that have not worked hard enough for reasons of
being too busy, unableI to come to meetings (funding is not always
available), or just lacking confidence. MAG work is not easy. In my
view that means they should not remain. But there are some people on
this list who have worked very hard, and who have managed to push
through some difficult and challenging debates and I do think that
it is important to keep them.<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/951-mag-bio-esterhuysen"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Esterhuysen, Anriette</u></b></font></a><font size="3">: </font><a
href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"><font color="blue" size="3"><u>anriette@apc.org</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/942-mag-bio-aizu"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Mr.
Aizu, Izumi</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><b>: </b></font><a href="mailto:iza@anr.org"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>iza@anr.org</u></font></a><font
color="blue" size="3"><u>
</u></font><font size="3">2012</font><font color="blue"
size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/954-mag-bio-guo"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Mr.
Guo, Liang</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3">: </font><a href="mailto:guoliang@gmail.com"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>guoliang@gmail.com</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/957-mag-bio-mangal"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Mangal, Anju</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3">: </font><a href="mailto:anjum@spc.int"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>anjum@spc.int</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/947-mag-bio-cretu"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Cretu, Veronica: </u></b><u>veronica@cretu.md</u></font></a><font
color="blue" size="3">
</font><font size="3">2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/955-mag-bio-kelly"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Kelly, Sanja</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3">: </font><a href="mailto:kelly@freedomhouse.org"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>kelly@freedomhouse.org</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/959-mag-bio-morenets-"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Morenets, Yuliya</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3">:
</font><a href="mailto:contact@againstcybercrime.eu"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>contact@againstcybercrime.eu</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/966-mag-bio-radunoic"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Mr.
Radunovic, Vladimir: </u></b><u>vladar@diplomacy.edu<b> </b></u></font></a><font
color="blue" size="3"><u> </u></font><font size="3">2012</font><font
color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="mailto:Ms.Zachariah,Desiree:dazachariah@gmail.com"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>Ms.
Zachariah, Desiree: dazachariah@gmail.com </u></font></a><font
size="3">2013</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/949-mag-bio-drake-"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Mr.
Drake, William</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3">: </font><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>william.drake@uzh.ch</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/952-mag-bio-fell"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Fell, Lucinda</u></b></font></a><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3">: </font><a href="mailto:lucinda@childnet.com"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>lucinda@childnet.com</u></font></a><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/mag/45-mag-membership/1294-ms-fatima-cambronero"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Cambronero, Fátima: </u></b><u>fatimacambronero@gmail.com</u></font></a><font
size="3">
</font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">2013</font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/mag/45-mag-membership/1294-ms-fatima-cambronero"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>
</u></b></font></a><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/960-mag-bio-nalwoga"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Nalwoga, Lillian</u></b></font></a><font face="sans-serif"
size="2"> </font><a href="mailto:lnalwoga@gmail.com"><font
color="blue" face="sans-serif" size="2"><u>lnalwoga@gmail.com</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/961-mag-bio-okite"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Ms.
Okite, Judith</u></b></font></a><font face="sans-serif"
size="2"> </font><a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com"><font
color="blue" face="sans-serif" size="2"><u>judyokite@gmail.com</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2012</font><font color="blue" size="3"><u><br>
</u></font><a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/qusai"><font
color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>Mr.
Al Shatti, Qusai</u></b></font></a><font face="sans-serif"
size="2"> </font><a href="mailto:qshatti@gmail.com"><font
color="blue" face="sans-serif" size="2"><u>qshatti@gmail.com</u></font></a><font
size="3">
2006</font>
<br>
<font size="3">Subi Chaturvedi: 2013</font>
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<br>
Anriette - writing in my capacity as an individual who has served on
the MAG since May 2012 and who would like to remain for another
term. <br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/11/2013 16:09, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALTAiToW+XjxPHN6its06TNHK4foR4FyK_uKcgvB9wWdma2ORA@mail.gmail.com"
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<div>Dear all, <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Please, allow me to raise a suggestion of the broader
procedure: <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
I see this issue is getting complicated and sensitive and,
particularly reading Mawaki's email, I sense that there is
some misunderstandings that are particularly coming up from
the fact that part of the people in the list didn't attend
BB meeting in Bali and deserve some clarification about what
happened there. <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I know that everybody is really busy as since Bali the
pace of events is accelerated (and on my case particularly
overwhelmed with Brazil meeting issues), but I might be
really useful if the steering make a joined effort to manage
to report back from the meeting, particularly about the
session on BB structure, so whoever that reads the wiki
procedures will also have this background info.<br>
</div>
<br>
In the main while, let's try to trust each other a little
bit... I'm pretty totally comfortable to reaffirm that there
is a lot of good will within the steering, sometime we stumble
in procedures, true, we are all testing methods, its part of
the task, but are also truly open for suggestions and to
implement changes. So, please, be sure concerns raised here
are being heard. Let's just not block important things to get
done. <br>
<br>
Therefore, I would suggest that we keep this thread to at
least have the list of people that BB would like to suggest,
having in mind the issue raised about indicating or not people
that are already there. Deciding if it is going through IGC or
not would be the next (complicated) step. <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>all the best<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>joana<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM,
Marianne Franklin <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear all<br>
<br>
Could I suggest that all the names of anyone going up for
the MAG from both current slates (i.e. run by the IGC and
being collated through Best Bits) be posted so that we can
inform other networks of who is standing. <br>
<br>
Whether they are looking to stand as an IGC nominee or
Best Bits nominee can be noted. <br>
<br>
Ongoing, and important discussions about the Best Bits
governance structure need to continue, and as a member of
the interim BB Steering as well as co-Chair of the IRP
Coalition I support the need for clarity here too. But
right at this moment as the list and candidates form, it
would be good for anyone else considering standing for the
MAG to know who is currently doing so. If a person is
standing in two places could they nominate which one they
are opting for too to save space and time?<br>
<br>
Also, I join those affirmations of the work done by all
standing MAG members, in this case from civil society, who
are continuing. Thank you all for the hard and often
unrewarded and unrelenting work on this group. <br>
<br>
best<br>
MF
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<div>On 20/11/2013 10:17, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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<div>(Replying from phone.) I had suggested off this
list that we omit any mention of the incumbent MAG
members and limit our candidates to those who will
fill slots that will be open anyway. If we clarify
that we support the continuation of the candidates
who are eligible for continuing, and drop the
specific candidates mentioned, this may help?<br>
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Good day, I think its important for
continuity especially as in my opinion
the current CS MAG members are doing a
great work and have really put in a lot of
time to this , I concur will Bill and
strongly belief in the overall continuity
of all current CS MAG members<br>
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<div>Just woke up and am rushing to a
meeting but would appreciate
clarification. When was the call for
nominations, when was the deadline for
submission, and when was the period in
which list members then expressed
views either way before you decided to
go ahead? Some of us are a bit busy
in Buenos Aires dealing with Brazil
meeting and such and are awash in a
tidal wave of communications and
meetings, so I at least missed all
this. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>By selecting these six names,
including just two current CS MAG
members, do you wish to convey to the
Secretariat and DESA that you do not
support the continued participation of
all the current CS MAG members not
listed, irrespective of the time and
work they’ve put in, how long they’ve
been been on it, etc?</div>
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<div>It seems unduly abrupt, so please
note my objection as well.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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style="font-family:Verdana">As
said before, I do not
agree to steering
committee choosing MAG
nominees, or other kinds
of reps, or next
steering committee's
membership, and so
on.... These are
serious. important
issues which should have
a clear, transparent,
accountable and thus
legitimate process
around it. And I dont
see that in place.</span></div>
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<div>We have not chosen the
MAG nominees, we have simply
collected the nominations,
suggested criteria that
could be used to evaluate
them, and forwarded them
back to the main list with a
recommendation. Although
your objection was noted,
most others were comfortable
with this process and since
we do not have voting or
membership as such, we
decided to go ahead. If
appropriate your objection
could probably be noted in
some way in the letter that
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