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<font face="Verdana">Marilia<br>
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I has asked to only be clear that *for the purpose of organsing
the forthcoming Brazil meeting* civil society would want
independent and direct liason with Brazil gov. I have no comment
here whether or not we engage with 1net and if so how (Though I
think we indeed should engage laterally with that group.).....
There is adequate evidence that Brazil gov thinks that it is ok to
have 1net coordinates non gov participation on the meeting, We
have to specifically address this point. If we dont, we remain
where we are -- and most likely having to go through the 1net....
Governments need clear and precise communication on such things.
In the background where we stand today, that can be made only be
made by clearly sayign that *we do not want our representation to
be fronted or channeled through 1net*. Anything less will not
clear the misconceptions that seem solidly settled in Brazilian's
mind at present.<br>
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I think we have gone back and forth for too long about what to say
to the Brazil gov on our role in the Brazil meeting - for about a
month now... As a consequence our role is being and will continue
to be determined by default, as a part of other stakeholderholder
groups' strategies. <br>
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I rest my case here, parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 19 November 2013 09:08 PM,
Marilia Maciel wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just to clarify further: I am not against the
letter Parminder suggested, just think we could calibrate the
language not to dismiss 1net as an option for participation.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM,
Marilia Maciel <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Parminder,
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<div>I am writing from ICANN meeting in BA where some
folks from CS are also arguing for transparency,
openness and participation for civil society in the
Brazil process. In a similar way that we raised this in
the IGF during meetings with the Brazilian government in
the iStart meeting and in other spaces, we are doing it
here with ICANN staff (Fadi, Thereza, Board members),
with governments, etc. My very quick thoughts based on
the present situation (things are changing very fast, so
I reserve the right to change opinion) is:</div>
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<div>- It is not either/or. Both things should be done
together: populate and participate 1net and continue to
organize ourselves in our own spaces, sending
contributions as IGC, BB or individual organizations. It
is not clear yet how relevant 1net will be, but there is
a possibility it will be important, so we should not be
out of it. We also need a channel to exchange with other
groups and this could be the channel</div>
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<div>- We need to make sure that a steering committee of 1
net is representative and includes CS reps chosen by CS
itself </div>
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<div>- 1 net does not exist so far and does not have a
committee. What people are doing is going straight to
Fadi or to the Br gov. For communication purposes, we
have appointed liaisons and should reinforce that these
people are our liaisons for the moment until 1 net
exists and until (and if) we feel comfortable with it. </div>
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<div>- Our liaisons need to be included in all meetings</div>
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<div>Marília </div>
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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, parminder <span
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wrote:<br>
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face="Verdana">Dear All<br>
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There are strong indications from all round
that Brazil gov may just be taking the easy
expedient to channelise non gov participation
in the Brazil meeting through the 1net
structure.... And we know that there was
overwhelming feeling among civil society that
this should not be allowed, and we should have
a direct liason. (Civil society outside the
active IG kind is even more strongly of this
view). Are we know willing to come out of our
paralysis?<br>
<br>
Lets write a short and succinct letter that we
want direct and independent liason to the
Brazil meeting and want to independently
present our liasons directly accountable to us
and not through the 1net or whatever...And
just forward the four Brazilain names we have
as our liasons... We do not have to change/
expand that liason structure. Havent the time
for that. (and if some people insist, we can
always do it a bit later). The following is a
quick text suggestion... <br>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana">We of the
undersigned civil society networks and
groups are pleased to note that Brazil has
made a formal announcement of a
............. (put the official name of the
meeting here) . We are happy to help the
government of Brazil organise this meeting
and take it to a successful conclusion. We
have chosen the below mentioned four persons
to be our liason to the Brazilian government
and also to be put on any steering committee
that may be set up.</font><br>
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<font face="Verdana">....</font><br>
<font face="Verdana">......</font><br>
<br>
<font face="Verdana">......</font><br>
<font face="Verdana">...... the names of our
four Brazilian liasons </font><br>
<br>
<font face="Verdana">Please include our above
representatives in all meetings, formal
presentations etc that will henceforth take
place regarding the proposed
multistakeholder meeting on the future of
the Internet.....</font> We will route our
inputs to the organisation of this meeting
through these reps...<br>
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<font face="Verdana">Signed</font><br>
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