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    great - so we can say the notes of the first session are final. <br>
    Cheers<br>
    Joy<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 06 November 2013 02:18
        AM, joy wrote:<br>
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        thanks Parminder - if you could add those notes to the session
        summary, that would be great:<br>
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      Joy, thanks for the link. However, As I mention below the
      discussions that I describe took place *not* in the
      multistakeholder session we did together on the first day, but in
      the last session on the second day on BB related process issues,
      held together by Jeremy and Anja...<br>
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      parminder<br>
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        cheers<br>
        Joy <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2013 11:24 p.m., parminder
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          <font face="Verdana">Hi Joy<br>
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            I refer to interactions during the last plenary session on
            processes. It wasnt in the small groups sessions. The
            exchange about the need for clearer/ formal processes versus
            we should not become too formal and inflexible continued
            over quite some time, involving many interventions. <br>
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            As for the details you ask for - it begun I think with a
            demand that those closely associated with BB processes be
            upfront about their organisational details, funding support
            etc so that members knew clearly who is who and so on. To
            this was added request to be more clear about goals of the
            coalition (included if needed through a charter) and the
            need to actively reach out to bring in those who werent
            here... It was proposed that BB works as a membership driven
            organisation, with members driven processes/ decisions.
            There was demands for greaer clarity about how decisions are
            made and who made them.... <br>
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            Regards, parminder <br>
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            AM, joy wrote:<br>
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            Hi Parminder - i need a clarification please... In relation
            to the Best Bits quality mark idea, you wrote:<br>
            {snip}<br>
            "when some process issues were raised there were many people
            labelling them as unneeded inflexibility and formalism"<br>
            I do not recall this from the large group discussion - but
            perhaps it was in the small groups or was it missed in the
            meeting notes? To assist, can you please be more specific
            about the actual concerns that were raised and those
            labelling them in this way? It is difficult to assess your
            comments in detail without the particulars .<br>
            thanks<br>
            Joy <br>
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                10:02 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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                  <div>On 20/10/2013, at 12:31 PM, joy <<a
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                    <li>A <b>fluid working group</b> (to use one of our
                      new catchphrases) could work online to distill it
                      down into a shorter statement of principles, and
                      get underway on that now with the aim of making at
                      least some further progress by the time of our
                      workshop on Thursday.  Would you be willing to be
                      a focal point for the fluid working group?</li>
                    <li>For the longer-term, we could try to develop
                      these principles into a standard of our own, that
                      we could apply to various Internet governance
                      institutions.  During a workshop yesterday on
                      metrics of multi-stakeholderism, I first raised
                      this idea as a kind of "quality label" for
                      multi-stakeholder processes.  As many people have
                      noted during this IGF already, everything from the
                      IETF to ICANN to the IGF is called a
                      "multi-stakeholder process", yet they are so very
                      different.  A <b>Best Bits "quality label" for
                        multi-stakeholder processes</b> could help to
                      provide a more useful benchmark for these
                      processes than the WSIS process criteria alone.</li>
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              To be able to do any such kind of quality labelling, BB
              would itself first have to follow very high quality
              processes. However at the f2f meeting when some process
              issues were raised there were many people labelling them
              as unneeded inflexibility and formalism.  So, not sure how
              we would resolve the apparent contradiction here.....<br>
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              I do think that when people put themselves up for public
              roles, especially in very political processes like the
              kind we all are engaged in, they need to be held to very
              high levels of openness, transparency, accountability and
              so on, and these things should not be dismissed as
              unneeded formalism. Democratic public life has been
              carefully imbued with a lot of such 'formalism' over the
              centuries precisely because of this reason. <br>
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              parminder <br>
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                <div>Perhaps the same fluid working group could take on
                  both objectives in turn.  What do people think?</div>
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