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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 06 November 2013 02:18 AM,
      joy wrote:<br>
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      thanks Parminder - if you could add those notes to the session
      summary, that would be great:<br>
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    Joy, thanks for the link. However, As I mention below the
    discussions that I describe took place *not* in the multistakeholder
    session we did together on the first day, but in the last session on
    the second day on BB related process issues, held together by Jeremy
    and Anja...<br>
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    parminder<br>
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      Joy <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2013 11:24 p.m., parminder
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        <font face="Verdana">Hi Joy<br>
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          I refer to interactions during the last plenary session on
          processes. It wasnt in the small groups sessions. The exchange
          about the need for clearer/ formal processes versus we should
          not become too formal and inflexible continued over quite some
          time, involving many interventions. <br>
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          As for the details you ask for - it begun I think with a
          demand that those closely associated with BB processes be
          upfront about their organisational details, funding support
          etc so that members knew clearly who is who and so on. To this
          was added request to be more clear about goals of the
          coalition (included if needed through a charter) and the need
          to actively reach out to bring in those who werent here... It
          was proposed that BB works as a membership driven
          organisation, with members driven processes/ decisions. There
          was demands for greaer clarity about how decisions are made
          and who made them.... <br>
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          Regards, parminder <br>
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          AM, joy wrote:<br>
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          Hi Parminder - i need a clarification please... In relation to
          the Best Bits quality mark idea, you wrote:<br>
          {snip}<br>
          "when some process issues were raised there were many people
          labelling them as unneeded inflexibility and formalism"<br>
          I do not recall this from the large group discussion - but
          perhaps it was in the small groups or was it missed in the
          meeting notes? To assist, can you please be more specific
          about the actual concerns that were raised and those labelling
          them in this way? It is difficult to assess your comments in
          detail without the particulars .<br>
          thanks<br>
          Joy <br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 22 October 2013
              10:02 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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                  <li>A <b>fluid working group</b> (to use one of our
                    new catchphrases) could work online to distill it
                    down into a shorter statement of principles, and get
                    underway on that now with the aim of making at least
                    some further progress by the time of our workshop on
                    Thursday.  Would you be willing to be a focal point
                    for the fluid working group?</li>
                  <li>For the longer-term, we could try to develop these
                    principles into a standard of our own, that we could
                    apply to various Internet governance institutions.
                     During a workshop yesterday on metrics of
                    multi-stakeholderism, I first raised this idea as a
                    kind of "quality label" for multi-stakeholder
                    processes.  As many people have noted during this
                    IGF already, everything from the IETF to ICANN to
                    the IGF is called a "multi-stakeholder process", yet
                    they are so very different.  A <b>Best Bits
                      "quality label" for multi-stakeholder processes</b>
                    could help to provide a more useful benchmark for
                    these processes than the WSIS process criteria
                    alone.</li>
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            To be able to do any such kind of quality labelling, BB
            would itself first have to follow very high quality
            processes. However at the f2f meeting when some process
            issues were raised there were many people labelling them as
            unneeded inflexibility and formalism.  So, not sure how we
            would resolve the apparent contradiction here.....<br>
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            I do think that when people put themselves up for public
            roles, especially in very political processes like the kind
            we all are engaged in, they need to be held to very high
            levels of openness, transparency, accountability and so on,
            and these things should not be dismissed as unneeded
            formalism. Democratic public life has been carefully imbued
            with a lot of such 'formalism' over the centuries precisely
            because of this reason. <br>
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            parminder <br>
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              <div>Perhaps the same fluid working group could take on
                both objectives in turn.  What do people think?</div>
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