<div dir="ltr">+1 nnenna et all<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi people<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I think this is congruent with what I thought we were looking to
have, which was:<br>
<br>
The 4 who interface on the summit (with Brazilian government,
CGI.br, etc.), who were selected during our meeting at the IGF and
who have had the initial engagement with the "coalition", and<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This part holds <br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
(eventually) another set of persons who would substitute the 4 above
to represent civil society in the "coalition"/1net (or whatever it
is being called) going forward.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>At the moment we opted for the BR4, the only issue on the table was a meeting in Brazil. But things have moved and rather fast. The Coalition is the new space and will certainly last longer than the Brazil event.<br>
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Is this the general understanding?<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The 1Net list is now open, wo eveyone can engage. So I see that the openness takes weight off our BR4. They can concentrate their energies in working in the framework of the meeting in Brazil. Then the broader CS can engage a discussion its representation on the steering of 1Net<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>N<br></font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span><font color="#888888">
<br>
Matthew</font></span><div><div><br>
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<div>On 13/11/2013 13:04, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Hi Anja, I was replying to Carlos, I think we were
writing to the thread at the same time. ;)</p>
<p dir="ltr">I have the same opinion as u do.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Nov 2013 10:35, "Anja Kovacs" <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Joanna,<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 November 2013 17:43, Joana
Varon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com" target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My
understanding was that the liasons would work as a
bridge between the Brazilian Gov and International
civil society, passing information and concerns about
the Summit. I'm happy to help with it, but if there is
no need, my life will be easier, so I'll be happy as
well. I just need to know the overall position,
because since Bali I've been readapting my agenda and
priorities to be able to do this. If it is useless,
just let me know. If it is needed, a letter indicating
and making clear our role as liassons will also be of
good help. </blockquote>
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<div>My apologies if I caused confusion on this. I do
very much think the 4 liaisons from Brazil should
continue doing what they're doing (and you are doing a
great job at it)! The impression I got from your
earlier emails was just that the 1net group is
proposing all communication on the summit goes through
1net somehow, and that all positions taken by us
should be coordinated with 1net, and this I don't take
is useful. Did I misunderstand something?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Anja <br>
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<p dir="ltr">All the best</p>
<span><font color="#888888">
<p dir="ltr">Joana</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Nov 2013 09:59,
"Carlos A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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I wish to dialogue on that too. Who identified
or determined this "need"?<br>
<br>
[]s fraternos<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
<br>
On 11/13/2013 09:56 AM, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
> I agree with Carlos that the liasons to
deal with 1net in its wider<br>
> scope/sterring committee shall not be the
same 4 Brazilian ones<br>
> currently indicated. And believe I've
mentioned this before.<br>
><br>
> But just to clarify, Carlos, did you get
the info that there is need for<br>
> 2 set of liasons at 1net: one set for the
summit and another set for the<br>
> steering committee, which will be focused
on wider activities that this<br>
> network will perform? Would u be ok if
the current 4 are indicated just<br>
> for the first scope (summit) and we
figure out a way to indicate others,<br>
> including NCUC/NCSG fellows, for the
steering?<br>
><br>
> If so, we are in the same page.<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Joana<br>
><br>
> On 13 Nov 2013 09:40, "Carlos A. Afonso"
<<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jeremy, I tried to make them (the i*)
understand this in our meeting<br>
> with them in Bali, but it seems they
did not catch it...<br>
><br>
> I actually have doubts on our own
representation/liaison -- the four<br>
> nominated were so in a bit of haste
(actually a BR representation, not<br>
> necessarily a CS one), and there are
civil society "tribes" who feel<br>
> unrepresented. I personally feel that
at least organized CS which works<br>
> within Icann (NCUC/NCSG) should be
part of the representation.<br>
><br>
> Can we dialogue on this?<br>
><br>
> --c.a.<br>
><br>
> On 11/13/2013 03:17 AM, Jeremy
Malcolm wrote:<br>
> > On 12/11/13 22:09, Joana Varon
wrote:<br>
> >> Work of the 1net dialogue
shall be divided in two tracks:<br>
> >><br>
> >> - Brazilian summit (that
part of the coalition/dialogue, particularly<br>
> >> business, remains calling
meeting). For that, the dialogue, following<br>
> >> our move in Bali, is also
suggesting to have 3 representatives from<br>
> >> each stakeholder (civil
society, business, technical community), to<br>
> >> identify 3 representatives
to participate in the preparations.<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't in any way support the
1net dialogue appointing itself as an<br>
> > interface between civil society
and the Brazil summit. Thankfully it<br>
> > seems that the point has been
made on the list that we have already<br>
> > appointed our own
representatives to engage with Brazil on the
summit,<br>
> > thank-you-very-much. We should
not allow the misunderstanding to<br>
> arise<br>
> > that 1net had any part in this
appointment.<br>
> ><br>
> >> - Overall dialogue, were the
first step will be exchanges to<br>
> establish<br>
> >> a dialogue (or 1net)
steering committee to help prepare any
materials<br>
> >> for discussion/coordinate
with the broader community. On my<br>
> >> perception, reaching balance
on this steering committee will be vital<br>
> >> to assess our level of
engagement in the dialogue. The issue of<br>
> >> representativeness of CS
will knock again on our doors.<br>
> ><br>
> > So this ties in with the
previous proposal (see my mail from<br>
> yesterday)<br>
> > for us to quickly work with
other civil society networks to form a<br>
> loose<br>
> > peak structure that would
nominate civil society representatives to<br>
> > other Internet governance
processes.[0]<br>
> ><br>
> >> - pointing representatives
from each stakeholder group (business,<br>
> tech<br>
> >> and civil soc) for
thesteering committee and for the conference<br>
> >> working group. Please, note
that governments are not part of the list<br>
> >> of stakeholders involved in
the dialogue/1net. (ps. I'm just<br>
> >> reporting, a dialogue
without governments is not my perfect view of
a<br>
> >> coalition)<br>
> ><br>
> > And the website misrepresents
this. It says, implicitly speaking for<br>
> > the members of the dialogue,
"Together - as global users, industry,<br>
> > civil society, governments,
academics, and technical organizations<br>
> - we<br>
> > are deeply committed to
strengthening the distributed<br>
> multi-stakeholder<br>
> > Internet governance framework to
serve our next generations."<br>
> ><br>
> > There are occasions when civil
society has been fairly united in<br>
> pulling<br>
> > out from a platform that doesn't
serve our interests - for example the<br>
> > OECD Communiqué on Internet
policy making, and the EU Licenses for<br>
> > Europe initiative. I am not
disagreeing with those who say "wait and<br>
> > see", but my current inclination
remains that we should leave 1net to<br>
> > the private sector and tech
community, who will certainly<br>
> overwhelm our<br>
> > influence in any case.<br>
> ><br>
> > [0] A further reason for this
being stated by Michael Gurstein in a<br>
> > different thread:<br>
> ><br>
> >> that to all intents and
purposes CS in its current form in the IG<br>
> is incapable of being an effective
"stakeholder" and accepting the<br>
> implications of that for the overall
MS model. The implications of<br>
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