<div dir="ltr">+1 nnenna et all<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi people<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


  
    
  
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    I think this is congruent with what I thought we were looking to
    have, which was:<br>
    <br>
    The 4 who interface on the summit (with Brazilian government,
    CGI.br, etc.), who were selected during our meeting at the IGF and
    who have had the initial engagement with the "coalition",  and<br>
    <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This part holds <br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">


    (eventually) another set of persons who would substitute the 4 above
    to represent civil society in the "coalition"/1net (or whatever it
    is being called) going forward.<br>
    <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>At the moment we opted for the BR4, the only issue on the table was a meeting in Brazil.  But things have moved  and rather fast.  The Coalition is  the new space and will certainly last longer than the Brazil event.<br>


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    Is this the general understanding?<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The 1Net list is now open, wo eveyone can engage. So  I see that the openness takes weight off our BR4. They can concentrate their energies in working in the framework of the meeting in Brazil.  Then the broader CS can engage a discussion its representation on the steering of 1Net<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>


<br>N<br></font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span><font color="#888888">
    <br>
    Matthew</font></span><div><div><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 13/11/2013 13:04, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">Hi Anja, I was replying to Carlos, I think we were
        writing to the thread at the same time. ;)</p>
      <p dir="ltr">I have the same opinion as u do.</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Nov 2013 10:35, "Anja Kovacs" <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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          <div dir="ltr">Hi Joanna,<br>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 November 2013 17:43, Joana
                Varon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com" target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My
                  understanding was that the liasons would work as a
                  bridge between the Brazilian Gov and International
                  civil society, passing information and concerns about
                  the Summit. I'm happy to help with it, but if there is
                  no need, my life will be easier, so I'll be happy as
                  well. I just need to know the overall position,
                  because since Bali I've been readapting my agenda and
                  priorities to be able to do this. If it is useless,
                  just let me know. If it is needed, a letter indicating
                  and making clear our role as liassons will also be of
                  good help. </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>My apologies if I caused confusion on this. I do
                  very much think the 4 liaisons from Brazil should
                  continue doing what they're doing (and you are doing a
                  great job at it)! The impression I got from your
                  earlier emails was just that the 1net group is
                  proposing all communication on the summit goes through
                  1net somehow, and that all positions taken by us
                  should be coordinated with 1net, and this I don't take
                  is useful. Did I misunderstand something?<br>
                  <br>
                  Thanks,<br>
                  Anja <br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">All the best</p>
                  <span><font color="#888888">
                      <p dir="ltr">Joana</p>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Nov 2013 09:59,
                        "Carlos A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>
                        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                          I wish to dialogue on that too. Who identified
                          or determined this "need"?<br>
                          <br>
                          []s fraternos<br>
                          <br>
                          --c.a.<br>
                          <br>
                          On 11/13/2013 09:56 AM, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
                          > I agree with Carlos that the liasons to
                          deal with 1net in its wider<br>
                          > scope/sterring committee shall not be the
                          same 4 Brazilian ones<br>
                          > currently indicated. And believe I've
                          mentioned this before.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > But just to clarify, Carlos, did you get
                          the info that there is need for<br>
                          > 2 set of liasons at 1net: one set for the
                          summit and another set for the<br>
                          > steering committee, which will be focused
                          on wider activities that this<br>
                          > network will perform? Would u be ok if
                          the current 4 are indicated just<br>
                          > for the first scope (summit) and we
                          figure out a way to indicate others,<br>
                          > including NCUC/NCSG fellows, for the
                          steering?<br>
                          ><br>
                          > If so, we are in the same page.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Best<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Joana<br>
                          ><br>
                          > On 13 Nov 2013 09:40, "Carlos A. Afonso"
                          <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a><br>
                          > <mailto:<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>>
                          wrote:<br>
                          ><br>
                          >     Jeremy, I tried to make them (the i*)
                          understand this in our meeting<br>
                          >     with them in Bali, but it seems they
                          did not catch it...<br>
                          ><br>
                          >     I actually have doubts on our own
                          representation/liaison -- the four<br>
                          >     nominated were so in a bit of haste
                          (actually a BR representation, not<br>
                          >     necessarily a CS one), and there are
                          civil society "tribes" who feel<br>
                          >     unrepresented. I personally feel that
                          at least organized CS which works<br>
                          >     within Icann (NCUC/NCSG) should be
                          part of the representation.<br>
                          ><br>
                          >     Can we dialogue on this?<br>
                          ><br>
                          >     --c.a.<br>
                          ><br>
                          >     On 11/13/2013 03:17 AM, Jeremy
                          Malcolm wrote:<br>
                          >     > On 12/11/13 22:09, Joana Varon
                          wrote:<br>
                          >     >> Work of the 1net dialogue
                          shall be divided in two tracks:<br>
                          >     >><br>
                          >     >> - Brazilian summit (that
                          part of the coalition/dialogue, particularly<br>
                          >     >> business, remains calling
                          meeting). For that, the dialogue, following<br>
                          >     >> our move in Bali, is also
                          suggesting to have 3 representatives from<br>
                          >     >> each stakeholder (civil
                          society, business, technical community), to<br>
                          >     >> identify 3 representatives
                          to participate in the preparations.<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     > I don't in any way support the
                          1net dialogue appointing itself as an<br>
                          >     > interface between civil society
                          and the Brazil summit.  Thankfully it<br>
                          >     > seems that the point has been
                          made on the list that we have already<br>
                          >     > appointed our own
                          representatives to engage with Brazil on the
                          summit,<br>
                          >     > thank-you-very-much.  We should
                          not allow the misunderstanding to<br>
                          >     arise<br>
                          >     > that 1net had any part in this
                          appointment.<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     >> - Overall dialogue, were the
                          first step will be exchanges to<br>
                          >     establish<br>
                          >     >> a dialogue (or 1net)
                          steering committee to help prepare any
                          materials<br>
                          >     >> for discussion/coordinate
                          with the broader community.  On my<br>
                          >     >> perception, reaching balance
                          on this steering committee will be vital<br>
                          >     >> to assess our level of
                          engagement in the dialogue. The issue of<br>
                          >     >> representativeness of CS
                          will knock again on our doors.<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     > So this ties in with the
                          previous proposal (see my mail from<br>
                          >     yesterday)<br>
                          >     > for us to quickly work with
                          other civil society networks to form a<br>
                          >     loose<br>
                          >     > peak structure that would
                          nominate civil society representatives to<br>
                          >     > other Internet governance
                          processes.[0]<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     >> - pointing representatives
                          from each stakeholder group (business,<br>
                          >     tech<br>
                          >     >> and civil soc) for
                          thesteering committee and for the conference<br>
                          >     >> working group. Please, note
                          that governments are not part of the list<br>
                          >     >> of stakeholders involved in
                          the dialogue/1net. (ps. I'm just<br>
                          >     >> reporting, a dialogue
                          without governments is not my perfect view of
                          a<br>
                          >     >> coalition)<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     > And the website misrepresents
                          this.  It says, implicitly speaking for<br>
                          >     > the members of the dialogue,
                          "Together - as global users, industry,<br>
                          >     > civil society, governments,
                          academics, and technical organizations<br>
                          >     - we<br>
                          >     > are deeply committed to
                          strengthening the distributed<br>
                          >     multi-stakeholder<br>
                          >     > Internet governance framework to
                          serve our next generations."<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     > There are occasions when civil
                          society has been fairly united in<br>
                          >     pulling<br>
                          >     > out from a platform that doesn't
                          serve our interests - for example the<br>
                          >     > OECD Communiqué on Internet
                          policy making, and the EU Licenses for<br>
                          >     > Europe initiative.  I am not
                          disagreeing with those who say "wait and<br>
                          >     > see", but my current inclination
                          remains that we should leave 1net to<br>
                          >     > the private sector and tech
                          community, who will certainly<br>
                          >     overwhelm our<br>
                          >     > influence in any case.<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     > [0] A further reason for this
                          being stated by Michael Gurstein in a<br>
                          >     > different thread:<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     >> that to all intents and
                          purposes CS in its current form in the IG<br>
                          >     is incapable of being an effective
                          "stakeholder" and accepting the<br>
                          >     implications of that for the overall
                          MS model. The implications of<br>
                          >     taking this latter position is that
                          if an adherence to MSism is so<br>
                          >     important for various of the actors
                          involved then some significant<br>
                          >     efforts/resources will need to be put
                          into making CS a workable,<br>
                          >     effective and legitimate partner.<br>
                          >     ><br>
                          >     ><br>
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                          >     ><br>
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