<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks to all our liaisons for their work on this.<br><br>I agree with Jeremy that we need to continue our direct communication with the Brazil government on the Brazil summit. The 1net initiative is potentially valuable, and I would say that we continue the dialogue, but I don't see any reason why our communication with the Brazilian government, too, needs to go through 1net. I don't think the initiative has developed sufficiently at all yet for us to be able to do so.<br>
<br></div>Why don't we therefore suggest to 1net that we take coordinated communication on the Brazil summit out of the 1net agenda for now? 1net could possibly be used by different stakeholder groups to keep each other updated on their own strategies, share information, ask for feedback, etc, but I don't think its role on this particular issue should go beyond that - at least for now.<br>
<br></div>Also just curious to know: was this website discussed at all among the current 1net committee? Was the content of the site discussed? Its message seems to be quite forceful, and I somehow have the sense that that was not a consensus decision - but I'd be happy to stand corrected on this.<br>
<br>Also +1 on a slight shift in liaisons for 1net by the way. <br><br>Best,<br>Anja<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 November 2013 17:29, Carlos A. Afonso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I wish to dialogue on that too. Who identified or determined this "need"?<br>
<br>
[]s fraternos<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 11/13/2013 09:56 AM, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
> I agree with Carlos that the liasons to deal with 1net in its wider<br>
> scope/sterring committee shall not be the same 4 Brazilian ones<br>
> currently indicated. And believe I've mentioned this before.<br>
><br>
> But just to clarify, Carlos, did you get the info that there is need for<br>
> 2 set of liasons at 1net: one set for the summit and another set for the<br>
> steering committee, which will be focused on wider activities that this<br>
> network will perform? Would u be ok if the current 4 are indicated just<br>
> for the first scope (summit) and we figure out a way to indicate others,<br>
> including NCUC/NCSG fellows, for the steering?<br>
><br>
> If so, we are in the same page.<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
><br>
> Joana<br>
><br>
> On 13 Nov 2013 09:40, "Carlos A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a><br>
</div><div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jeremy, I tried to make them (the i*) understand this in our meeting<br>
> with them in Bali, but it seems they did not catch it...<br>
><br>
> I actually have doubts on our own representation/liaison -- the four<br>
> nominated were so in a bit of haste (actually a BR representation, not<br>
> necessarily a CS one), and there are civil society "tribes" who feel<br>
> unrepresented. I personally feel that at least organized CS which works<br>
> within Icann (NCUC/NCSG) should be part of the representation.<br>
><br>
> Can we dialogue on this?<br>
><br>
> --c.a.<br>
><br>
> On 11/13/2013 03:17 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
> > On 12/11/13 22:09, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
> >> Work of the 1net dialogue shall be divided in two tracks:<br>
> >><br>
> >> - Brazilian summit (that part of the coalition/dialogue, particularly<br>
> >> business, remains calling meeting). For that, the dialogue, following<br>
> >> our move in Bali, is also suggesting to have 3 representatives from<br>
> >> each stakeholder (civil society, business, technical community), to<br>
> >> identify 3 representatives to participate in the preparations.<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't in any way support the 1net dialogue appointing itself as an<br>
> > interface between civil society and the Brazil summit. Thankfully it<br>
> > seems that the point has been made on the list that we have already<br>
> > appointed our own representatives to engage with Brazil on the summit,<br>
> > thank-you-very-much. We should not allow the misunderstanding to<br>
> arise<br>
> > that 1net had any part in this appointment.<br>
> ><br>
> >> - Overall dialogue, were the first step will be exchanges to<br>
> establish<br>
> >> a dialogue (or 1net) steering committee to help prepare any materials<br>
> >> for discussion/coordinate with the broader community. On my<br>
> >> perception, reaching balance on this steering committee will be vital<br>
> >> to assess our level of engagement in the dialogue. The issue of<br>
> >> representativeness of CS will knock again on our doors.<br>
> ><br>
> > So this ties in with the previous proposal (see my mail from<br>
> yesterday)<br>
> > for us to quickly work with other civil society networks to form a<br>
> loose<br>
> > peak structure that would nominate civil society representatives to<br>
> > other Internet governance processes.[0]<br>
> ><br>
> >> - pointing representatives from each stakeholder group (business,<br>
> tech<br>
> >> and civil soc) for thesteering committee and for the conference<br>
> >> working group. Please, note that governments are not part of the list<br>
> >> of stakeholders involved in the dialogue/1net. (ps. I'm just<br>
> >> reporting, a dialogue without governments is not my perfect view of a<br>
> >> coalition)<br>
> ><br>
> > And the website misrepresents this. It says, implicitly speaking for<br>
> > the members of the dialogue, "Together - as global users, industry,<br>
> > civil society, governments, academics, and technical organizations<br>
> - we<br>
> > are deeply committed to strengthening the distributed<br>
> multi-stakeholder<br>
> > Internet governance framework to serve our next generations."<br>
> ><br>
> > There are occasions when civil society has been fairly united in<br>
> pulling<br>
> > out from a platform that doesn't serve our interests - for example the<br>
> > OECD Communiqué on Internet policy making, and the EU Licenses for<br>
> > Europe initiative. I am not disagreeing with those who say "wait and<br>
> > see", but my current inclination remains that we should leave 1net to<br>
> > the private sector and tech community, who will certainly<br>
> overwhelm our<br>
> > influence in any case.<br>
> ><br>
> > [0] A further reason for this being stated by Michael Gurstein in a<br>
> > different thread:<br>
> ><br>
> >> that to all intents and purposes CS in its current form in the IG<br>
> is incapable of being an effective "stakeholder" and accepting the<br>
> implications of that for the overall MS model. The implications of<br>
> taking this latter position is that if an adherence to MSism is so<br>
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