<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear all, <br><br>Thanks for the comments. It seams we are on the same page here, which is great! <br><br>So <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">next steps on my end here:</span><br><br></div>1) writing the Brazilian gov to reaffirm that the 4 liasons are the channel for international civil society, independently of what happens with the 1net; <br>
<br>2) reaffirm the same to the 1net;<br></div><br>3) asking clarity and transparency regarding the next steps for debating the two documents of 1net, demanding them to be public and the existence of mechanisms for equally balanced engagement.<br>
<br></div>I'm doing all this right now. <br><div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, in agreement with Matthew's suggestion, <span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">from all of you it would be really useful indeed</span>:<br>
<br>1) to have the 4 formally
appointed from our network, please, remember that CGI.br has a role in
representing <b>national civil society </b>in the organization of the summit, and it should have, but the liasons are working as a bridge to the <b>international civil society.</b>
It would be great if we could have this in paper, so we could have more
legitimacy to interact with the Brazilian government, which will also
feel more comfortable with it. I could ask help from BB steering committee to write this or if anyone would like to volunteer, it is great as well. <br><br></div><div>Does it seam like a plan?<br><br></div><div>best<br><br>
</div><div>joana<br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:35 AM, matthew shears <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Joana to you and others for keeping us apprised.<br>
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Couple of comments:<br>
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2) If we have not already done so, I think it might be useful to
formally identify the four representatives to the Brazilian
government as the interfaces for civil society (or some appropriate
wording) indicating that this is a follow-on from our discussions
with them at the IGF etc.<br>
<br>
3) it is important that the discussion on 1net documents either take
place in an open manner or take place in a clearly defined and
equally balanced multi-stakeholder group (steering or whatever). At
the moment they appear to be being drafted in public and private.<br>
<br>
5) + 1 - we should participate <b>and shape</b> until that time we
can make a decision based on facts. That said, actual documents we
can contribute to in a transparent way need to be available and
participation mechanisms that enable equally balanced engagement
need to be put in place. We need to have these asap.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Matthew</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 12/11/2013 17:28, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Matthew and all, <br>
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5 important points to complete my previous email, <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">red </span>for <b>important
info </b>and<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"> blue</span>
for <b>actions</b> required:<br>
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1) The thread discussing the framing document/<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">concept note</span>
stopped. I'm asking for a clarification to see either it
is going to be debated within the steering committee or
what. Nevertheless, it would be good if we manage to
reach Buenos Aires with our comments on this (I'm trying
to find means to go, if anyone has suggestions, let me
know). So, let's follow Joy's comments and add it to a
pad for inputs. I'll coordinate with Carolina to have a
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">commented version
online for edits </span>and send you a link asap. <br>
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2) On the other hand, another <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">document regarding the Summit
</span>(now called conference), has been sent to the list
(please, find it attached). It's a proposal written by
Icann and Adiel. I'm also trying to have clarifications
about it's goal (either if it is meant to be a proposal
from the 1net/dialogue to the Brazilian government or if
it is a Icann draft). I don't like it in the way it
stands, but we can discuss this later on, after we get
this clarification. On the other hand, it would be good to
advance a bit from our statement and <span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">know what do WE want from the
summit.</span> :)<br>
<br>
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3) Also, Carolina has just asked the list to <span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">have all this documents
(concept note and summit draft) available for subscribers
</span>as well. <br>
<br>
<br>
4) So, in order to answer Bill's question on the other
thread initiated by Carolina with the previous follow up
summary, <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">we believe most
of the work on the next steps for 1net will be focused on:</span><br>
<br>
- these<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> two documents</span>
(1 net/dialogue concept note and summit draft)<br>
<br>
- <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">pointing representatives</span>
from each stakeholder group (business, tech and civil soc)
for the<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> steering committee
and for the conference working group. </span>Please, note
that governments are not part of the list of stakeholders
involved in the dialogue/1net. (ps. I'm just reporting, a
dialogue without governments is not my perfect view of a
coalition)<br>
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<div>5) The issue of engaging or not still remains, but I
would keep going to see.. once there is a steering committee
and these two documents are formatted, we will have a better
idea of all this. Carolina, please, correct me if I'm wrong,
but, besides recognizing that each stakeholder group will
point it's representatives,<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">
I haven't seen any mechanism or process debated to set the
steering,</span> have you? <br>
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kind regards, <br>
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joana<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM,
matthew shears <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi all<br>
<br>
Could someone point us to the latest version of the 1net
framing document?<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
Matthew
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<div>Good point, Adam. Please, remember that
this quick summary is a report on the the
strategy developed just within the
dialogue/1net.<br>
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The Brazilian government is still to delivery
an statement with details for engagement, but
the spirit, as far as I know, is that it will
be open and inclusive. Please, remember that
we have even proposed to the Minister of
Communications to open a platform for public
consultation and the idea was welcomed.<br>
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Let us develop further the conversations with
the Brazilian government to search for more on
this. <br>
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best<br>
<br>
joana<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at
12:52 PM, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
Thank you very much.<br>
<br>
Quick question - in the opening and closing
sessions in Bali, representatives of Brazil
said the meeting would be open for all to help
organize and for all to participate: an open
invitation to an open meeting. Was this
discussed on the list, and they instead
decided on a more limited steering committee?
(I will try to look at the archives).<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
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On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Joana Varon
wrote:<br>
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> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> Hello! Sorry for being away on bb
threads, I was offline for a few days, I´m
catching up with the other emails, but
please, find here quick updates on the
debates about the I*coalition/dialogue,
which now is being called dialogue or
1net:<br>
><br>
> Wisely, the archive and the
subscription process to the list is now
open to anyone. Subscriptions here <a href="https://nro.net/mailman/listinfo/i-coordination" target="_blank">https://nro.net/mailman/listinfo/i-coordination</a>.
Archives accessible here <a href="https://nro.net/pipermail/i-coordination/" target="_blank">https://nro.net/pipermail/i-coordination/</a><br>
><br>
> Also, a website called <a href="http://1net.org" target="_blank">1net.org</a>
was put in place and sent by Adiel to the
list, who asked for comments. A note will
go out in the next days to those who
attended wider meetings in Bali to sign up
via the website.<br>
><br>
> Work of the 1net dialogue shall be
divided in two tracks:<br>
><br>
> - Brazilian summit (that part of the
coalition/dialogue, particularly business,
remains calling meeting). For that, the
dialogue, following our move in Bali, is
also suggesting to have 3 representatives
from each stakeholder (civil society,
business, technical community), to
identify 3 representatives to participate
in the preparations.<br>
><br>
> - Overall dialogue, were the first
step will be exchanges to establish a
dialogue (or 1net) steering committee to
help prepare any materials for
discussion/coordinate with the broader
community. On my perception, reaching
balance on this steering committee will be
vital to assess our level of engagement in
the dialogue. The issue of
representativeness of CS will knock again
on our doors.<br>
><br>
> Hope it helps<br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
><br>
> joana<br>
><br>
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Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
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