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thanks for the update Carolina - very useful.<br>
On the concepts and process requirements: this needs more work
currently ranging from very highlevel to practical (not a bad thing
per se) but just to get the mix right for a concept note. I think
item 5 is very important and addresses some concerns about process
(though probably not all). perhaps worth clarifying what happens
where various stakeholder groups do not agree (ie presumably
consensus is needed).<br>
I think a google or other shared doc for the DIGE document would be
helpful. Good to see reference to the best bits statement there. I
suspect the problem definition will be hardest to agree on.<br>
i still believe having a separate line of communication with the
Brazil government is important and is a unique role for Brazil civil
society orgs and one of critical value for those without Portugese
language. <br>
Best and thanks again for your work on this<br>
<br>
Joy <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2013 5:47 a.m., Carolina
Rossini wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Michael et al,
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<div>Just want to report back on the activities on the
i-coordination list, as asked by Michael. </div>
<div>Some of those on the "i-coordination" list are setting
November 11th as the deadline to publish this concept note.
Others think this deadline should not be the real one to
pressure this group to publish the statement. </div>
<div>For instance,<span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap"> </span><span
name="joseph alhadeff"
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Joseph
Alhadeff, from Oracle, </span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap"> is
calling for the group to set a process, before </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">moving
on content proposals. I attach his proposal that has been
circulated one hour </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">ago.
Nobody has replied yet. </span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Joana
is on vacation currently - but she is checking emails from
time to time. I think Laura is </span></font></div>
<div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">coming
back from vacation now and CA is coming back from the
LACNIC meeting </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">and
may have more news. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">The
Brazilian government has not yet reached to us, but we
have sent a short </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">follow-up
asking how things are moving and if we should set a call
or something. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">So,
no news on that front. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Folks
who do not have english as theirs first language prefer
coalition to dialogue, so that is a </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">third
avenue of debate in that list.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Nobody
on that list has specific comment on the suggestions we
have sent them so far. (the general </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">ones
Joana pointed in her first email).</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">So,
I am reaching out to check if this group as new and
specific comments to both documents.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">We
could set a date for comments and I consolidate what we
get in this list and send back to them. </span></font></div>
<div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Would
that work? Does anybody else have another suggestion?</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Should
we move this forward in parallel to the representativeness
discussion?</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">I
put my name forward to stay in a liaison position both on
the side of the Br government</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">as
on the side of the iStart coalition/dialogue if we wish to
continue on that front.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">I
attach a version of the "DIGE" document with some quick
suggestions I've made. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Should
I put this document in a google drive, in order to collect
your comments/suggestions? </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">How
could we best deal with this editing process?</span></font></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Looking
forward to your comments and suggestions,</span><br>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Best,</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM,
michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Joana
and all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please
note that this following clause from the statement
you forwarded, is highly exclusive depending on
how/who is interpreting it… This needs to be
further clarified, defined or eliminated IMHO.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Contributors to the Dialogue
believe that Internet Governance is best done
through multi-stakeholder means <span style="">-
that is, in ways </span>which incorporate the
views, and seek the agreement, <u>of all those
involved in the evolution and development of
the Internet</u></span></i></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><span
style="text-decoration:none"> </span></span></u></i></p>
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lang="EN-GB">M</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joana Varon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <,<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bestbits] [Follow up of the
previous report] Summary I*coalition/dialogue
debates</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear
all, </span></p>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi.
</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">While
the debate about the process for using an
open or closed BB list still remains,
please, find below a summary about what has
been going on in the very closed list that
was created after the Friday meeting with
Fadi and I* representatives, which I have
reported a few days ago. Carlos, Carolina
and Laura, please, feel free to add other
points. Also, there are others BB
subscribers that are also in the
coalition/dialogue list that may want to
weigh in. </span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I should
remind you that Carlos Afonso and Laura
Tresca and I went to that meeting as it was
supposed to debate the Brazilian Summit. And
since the meeting with the Brazilian
government in the IGF, the three of us, plus
Carolina Rossini, were indicated as liaisons
to help facilitate civil society
participation in the event. Nevertheless, as
you could read in the report, that meeting
took a different direction and was focused
on building the "coalition". So, in the near
future, we should probably re-address the
issue of representatives<span style="">, and
the possibility of broadening CS
participation beyond Brazilians if we
choose to continue to engage.</span><span
style="color:red"> </span></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Summary</span></b></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">After the
meeting, held on Oct, 25<sup>th</sup>,<span
style="color:red"> </span>a closed
mailing list (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:i-coordination@nro.net"
target="_blank">i-coordination@nro.net</a>)
has been created for the drafting the
concept note and debating the name of the
coalition. Besides the four of us, it
comprises the following
organizations/companies: ICC, Oracle,
verizon, cisco, cra, auda, internetnz (2),
eurid, lacnic, apnic, afrinic (2), icann
(2), arin (2), piuha, google, sidn, isoc. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1)
First days of the list were taken by debates
about the name and the difference of
coalition and dialogue. As dialogue is less
binding, the term "coalition" was dropped.
Current proposed name is: 1net | An Open
dialogue for the Evolution of Internet
Governance</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2)
More important: A draft of a concept note
(attached) was sent by Adiel, from Afrinic.
As it was sent in the same email about the
name, people got mostly focused in the name.
The only comments received are marked in the
attachment as well.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Carolina
and I have raised the point that so far
there are no government or representatives
involve<span style="">d in the
coalition/dialogue to any extent. I've
also sent comments regarding the fact that
the upcoming e</span>vents were only
events from the technical communities and
there is no language on human rights in the
text, just on business and innovation. No
replies here received on these issues
whatsoever, but the drafting is just
starting and is open for our inputs. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3)
Much more important: Nevertheless, things
seams to move fast. Today a thread was
initiated proposing to accelerate the
creation of an interim steering committee
(about<span style=""> 20 people, as far as I
understood, the same as who were at the
Friday meeting) which will then liaise
with their </span>respective
"stakeholder" groups. Quoting the admin of
the list, the reason was that the list is
"receiving every day requests to add new
people (specially from business community)"
and the proposal was to "create a clear
demarcation between the large group of
people ready to engage into the dialogue and
a subset of it that will facilitate and
coordinate the whole process." <br>
<br>
It seams the drafting <span style="">group</span>
is escalating to a steering committee which
raises questions about the composition of
the group (until now there is no balance in
terms of number of representatives from each
stakeholder group). This proposal got 3
agreements and one point raised by oracle
about representativeness. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In
face of this, I think we have three
fundamental questions:</span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>>
Do we want to engage wi<span style="">th the
coalition/dialogue? </span></span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>>
Could this initiative be perceived as a
counter-weight to the Brazilian summit? (
There is no governments or international
organizations in the concept note. Carolina
and I made that point a few days ago, but it
was not heard until now)</span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>> If
we decide to engage, what do we want out of
this process? How?</span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
Hope it's useful and addresses some doubts
that came up in our previous thread about the
first report. Another report, about our the
meeting with the Brazilian gov is coming soon.
</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
If we engage with this we will have two tracks
to interact with: a) one regarding the Summit
and the exchange of ideas with the Brazilian
government) + the other trying to reach a
common ground with the Dialogue. Sounds
complicated if we don't use our diversity in a
kindly and comprehensive way.</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">all
the best</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">joana</p>
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