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Hi Parminder - i need a clarification please... In relation to the
Best Bits quality mark idea, you wrote:<br>
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"when some process issues were raised there were many people
labelling them as unneeded inflexibility and formalism"<br>
I do not recall this from the large group discussion - but perhaps
it was in the small groups or was it missed in the meeting notes? To
assist, can you please be more specific about the actual concerns
that were raised and those labelling them in this way? It is
difficult to assess your comments in detail without the particulars
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thanks<br>
Joy <br>
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<div>On 20/10/2013, at 12:31 PM, joy <<a
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<li>A <b>fluid working group</b> (to use one of our new
catchphrases) could work online to distill it down into a
shorter statement of principles, and get underway on that
now with the aim of making at least some further progress
by the time of our workshop on Thursday. Would you be
willing to be a focal point for the fluid working group?</li>
<li>For the longer-term, we could try to develop these
principles into a standard of our own, that we could apply
to various Internet governance institutions. During a
workshop yesterday on metrics of multi-stakeholderism, I
first raised this idea as a kind of "quality label" for
multi-stakeholder processes. As many people have noted
during this IGF already, everything from the IETF to ICANN
to the IGF is called a "multi-stakeholder process", yet
they are so very different. A <b>Best Bits "quality
label" for multi-stakeholder processes</b> could help to
provide a more useful benchmark for these processes than
the WSIS process criteria alone.</li>
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To be able to do any such kind of quality labelling, BB would
itself first have to follow very high quality processes. However
at the f2f meeting when some process issues were raised there were
many people labelling them as unneeded inflexibility and
formalism. So, not sure how we would resolve the apparent
contradiction here.....<br>
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I do think that when people put themselves up for public roles,
especially in very political processes like the kind we all are
engaged in, they need to be held to very high levels of openness,
transparency, accountability and so on, and these things should
not be dismissed as unneeded formalism. Democratic public life has
been carefully imbued with a lot of such 'formalism' over the
centuries precisely because of this reason. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div>Perhaps the same fluid working group could take on both
objectives in turn. What do people think?</div>
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