<div dir="ltr">Michael et al,<div><br></div><div>Just want to report back on the activities on the i-coordination list, as asked by Michael. </div><div>Some of those on the "i-coordination" list are setting November 11th as the deadline to publish this concept note. Others think this deadline should not be the real one to pressure this group to publish the statement. </div>
<div>For instance,<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap"> </span><span name="joseph alhadeff" style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Joseph Alhadeff, from Oracle, </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap"> is calling for the group to set a process, before </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">moving on content proposals. I attach his proposal that has been circulated one hour </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">ago. Nobody has replied yet. </span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Joana is on vacation currently - but she is checking emails from time to time. I think Laura is </span></font></div><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">coming back from vacation now and CA is coming back from the LACNIC meeting </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">and may have more news. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">The Brazilian government has not yet reached to us, but we have sent a short </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">follow-up asking how things are moving and if we should set a call or something. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">So, no news on that front. </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Folks who do not have english as theirs first language prefer coalition to dialogue, so that is a </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">third avenue of debate in that list.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Nobody on that list has specific comment on the suggestions we have sent them so far. (the general </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">ones Joana pointed in her first email).</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">So, I am reaching out to check if this group as new and specific comments to both documents.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">We could set a date for comments and I consolidate what we get in this list and send back to them. </span></font></div><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Would that work? Does anybody else have another suggestion?</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Should we move this forward in parallel to the representativeness discussion?</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">I put my name forward to stay in a liaison position both on the side of the Br government</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">as on the side of the iStart coalition/dialogue if we wish to continue on that front.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">I attach a version of the "DIGE" document with some quick suggestions I've made. </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Should I put this document in a google drive, in order to collect your comments/suggestions? </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">How could we best deal with this editing process?</span></font></div><div><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Looking forward to your comments and suggestions,</span><br>
</div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap">Best,</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;white-space:nowrap"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Joana and all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please note that this following clause from the statement you forwarded, is highly exclusive depending on how/who is interpreting it… This needs to be further clarified, defined or eliminated IMHO.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Contributors to the Dialogue believe that Internet Governance is best done through multi-stakeholder means <span style>- that is, in ways </span>which incorporate the views, and seek the agreement, <u>of all those involved in the evolution and development of the Internet<u></u><u></u></u></span></i></p>
<div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span><u></u></span></u></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">M<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joana Varon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> <,<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,<br><b>Subject:</b> [bestbits] [Follow up of the previous report] Summary I*coalition/dialogue debates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear all, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div class="h5"><p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">While the debate about the process for using an open or closed BB list still remains, please, find below a summary about what has been going on in the very closed list that was created after the Friday meeting with Fadi and I* representatives, which I have reported a few days ago. Carlos, Carolina and Laura, please, feel free to add other points. Also, there are others BB subscribers that are also in the coalition/dialogue list that may want to weigh in. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I should remind you that Carlos Afonso and Laura Tresca and I went to that meeting as it was supposed to debate the Brazilian Summit. And since the meeting with the Brazilian government in the IGF, the three of us, plus Carolina Rossini, were indicated as liaisons to help facilitate civil society participation in the event. Nevertheless, as you could read in the report, that meeting took a different direction and was focused on building the "coalition". So, in the near future, we should probably re-address the issue of representatives<span style>, and the possibility of broadening CS participation beyond Brazilians if we choose to continue to engage.</span><span style="color:red"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Summary</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">After the meeting, held on Oct, 25<sup>th</sup>,<span style="color:red"> </span>a closed mailing list (<a href="mailto:i-coordination@nro.net" target="_blank">i-coordination@nro.net</a>) has been created for the drafting the concept note and debating the name of the coalition. Besides the four of us, it comprises the following organizations/companies: ICC, Oracle, verizon, cisco, cra, auda, internetnz (2), eurid, lacnic, apnic, afrinic (2), icann (2), arin (2), piuha, google, sidn, isoc. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1) First days of the list were taken by debates about the name and the difference of coalition and dialogue. As dialogue is less binding, the term "coalition" was dropped. Current proposed name is: 1net | An Open dialogue for the Evolution of Internet Governance</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2) More important: A draft of a concept note (attached) was sent by Adiel, from Afrinic. As it was sent in the same email about the name, people got mostly focused in the name. The only comments received are marked in the attachment as well.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Carolina and I have raised the point that so far there are no government or representatives involve<span style>d in the coalition/dialogue to any extent. I've also sent comments regarding the fact that the upcoming e</span>vents were only events from the technical communities and there is no language on human rights in the text, just on business and innovation. No replies here received on these issues whatsoever, but the drafting is just starting and is open for our inputs. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3) Much more important: Nevertheless, things seams to move fast. Today a thread was initiated proposing to accelerate the creation of an interim steering committee (about<span style> 20 people, as far as I understood, the same as who were at the Friday meeting) which will then liaise with their </span>respective "stakeholder" groups. Quoting the admin of the list, the reason was that the list is "receiving every day requests to add new people (specially from business community)" and the proposal was to "create a clear demarcation between the large group of people ready to engage into the dialogue and a subset of it that will facilitate and coordinate the whole process." <br>
<br>It seams the drafting <span style>group</span> is escalating to a steering committee which raises questions about the composition of the group (until now there is no balance in terms of number of representatives from each stakeholder group). This proposal got 3 agreements and one point raised by oracle about representativeness. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:.2in"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In face of this, I think we have three fundamental questions:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>> Do we want to engage wi<span style>th the coalition/dialogue? </span></span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>> Could this initiative be perceived as a counter-weight to the Brazilian summit? ( There is no governments or international organizations in the concept note. Carolina and I made that point a few days ago, but it was not heard until now)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>> If we decide to engage, what do we want out of this process? How?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
Hope it's useful and addresses some doubts that came up in our previous thread about the first report. Another report, about our the meeting with the Brazilian gov is coming soon. <u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
If we engage with this we will have two tracks to interact with: a) one regarding the Summit and the exchange of ideas with the Brazilian government) + the other trying to reach a common ground with the Dialogue. Sounds complicated if we don't use our diversity in a kindly and comprehensive way.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">all the best<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">joana<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>-- <br>-- <br><br>Joana Varon Ferraz<br>
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