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At 19:17 13/10/2013, João Carlos R. Caribé wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I really can't understand how
NTIA could be behind Fadi's meeting in Brasilia.<br><br>
Em 13/10/2013, Ã s 13:16, Nick Ashton-Hart
<<a href="mailto:nashton@consensus.pro">nashton@consensus.pro</a>>
escreveu:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">A few months ago Snowden
happened, which affected the positions taken by many heads-of-state,
including, very clearly, President Rousseff.<br><br>
As to the idea that NTIA is behind Fadi's meeting in Brasilia - I find
this not credible at all: why on earth would the USG welcome a
head-of-state-led conference on the role of surveillance in society,
especially one organised in Brasilia with the active participation of the
Brazilian head-of-state? And, if they would welcome it, all they'd have
to do is say so publicly: that would get them a lot of positive
visibility. Doing it by proxy gets them
nothing.</blockquote></blockquote><br>
OK. Let me explain.<br><br>
We probably do not think about the world's timed complexity in the same
manner. I doubt that Fadi would,<br><br>
- engage ICANN, without BoD definitive support and a public debate, <br>
- in favor of Telcos <br>
- with a supposed anti-American head of state, <br>
- after a full internet statUS-quo meeting demonstrating that he has full
internet leadership support, <br>
- through a statement signed at the Latin American place of the head of
the NRO <br>
- (that was prepared well in advance, says the IAB Chair - by who?),
<br><br>
without having first a phone call with the NTIA (Staff has sufficiently
documented their daily relations) and a BoD information relayed through
the GAC about the ICANN multistakeholderist way to present
multilaterality. Actually, all this was most probably prepared a long ago
by Everton Lucero:
<a href="http://blog.icann.org/2013/07/new-position-for-everton-lucero/" eudora="autourl">
http://blog.icann.org/2013/07/new-position-for-everton-lucero/</a> -
including the internet section of the NY statement. Be sure all these
people are trained teams of full-time professionnals when we are amateurs
on mailing lists. <br><br>
I know the US did blunder with Snowden (at least so it appears), but do
not think that they are not high level, professional strategist
diplomats. All of this is brilliant USG cyberstrategy.<br><br>
You ask why would the US do it by proxy? You wanted Obama to pop-in
Dilma’s office?<br><br>
By the time of the summit, Dilma will have invited the US officially, as
well as Russia and China (whose NSA equivalent are worse than the US NSA)
and present herself as the winner of the challenge engaged by her UN
statement. Look, the other BRICS countries will have agreed to discuss at
her invitation at her multilateral summit (Govts and Telcos). Russia and
China can accept to be invited by Dilma, not by the US, not by ICANN
(since it was not discussed at the GAC).<br><br>
The US will show in this way that they have mastered the situation and
will get the OECD united (in case Europe would falter) after the
half-set-back of Dubai. <br><br>
Putin has welcomed Snowden? OK: Obama has used Fadi to permit Dilma to
make the Brazilian people believe (during a voting year) that she is the
BRICS’ internet leader, and he has pulled the rug from under Putin’s
feet. For the US, it is better to discuss in Brazil (which has no big
security agency nor cyberforces) and where they can tap the internet,
than directly with China and Russia, while they are negociating with
Europe :-) This is an excellent response to the Chinese long pending
propositions on cyberwarfare limitations ... that China supports with
their 34 petaFlops system (all this is also to be considered within the
context of the exaflops race
[<a href="http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/5.10.12Simon2.pdf">
http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/5.10.12Simon2.pdf</a>] and of the
Singularity by the end of the decade). We are in a real world, and it is
no longer 01/02/1983, the day after the Internet was started.<br><br>
I see that Dilma may be friendly with us but why would she be not a
supporter of us? She seeks our support for Brazilian CS and people votes.
She just remembered that she has a Twitter account three weeks ago, after
three years of silence. Perhaps to tweet with Barack? After they missed
each other in NY.<br>
<br>
Are we of possible use to Dilma? She has to be of possible use for us. We
are we only OK if it is a win-win. What would we get now? We would just
lose our leverage over Dilma: everyone would know she already has our
support, and so would the USG. What could the CS negotiate in January if
we abdicate into the Govs and ITU in Bali???? How could we make some
pressure on Telcos and on the rest of the “family” in order to make sure
Dilma and the USSH Inc. do not sell us to Telcos against access to their
data on us?<br><br>
What I currently observe is multilateralism agreeing to discuss with
monopolies on the way to change the WSIS consensus in disfavor of an
enhanced cooperation with non dominants and CS.<br><br>
Cheers!<br>
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