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<DIV>I agree with Deborah – lets wait till a bit more information emerges. We
can draft a letter which is more meaningful when we have a better idea of the
scope, objectives, possible outcomes, likely attendees, and possible processes
for the conference. It’s quite likely more information will emerge in the next
week or so, therefore I think we should discuss at Bali and before then try to
find out a little more.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=deborah@accessnow.org
href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org">Deborah Brown</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 11, 2013 10:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nnenna75@gmail.com
href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com">Nnenna Nwakanma</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade:
Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear all,
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<DIV>I see the advantage of engaging early on this, but I'm a bit concerned that
we are rushing unnecessarily to finalize a letter before many of us travel and
are otherwise overstretched. I wonder if it might make more sense to continue
this discussion online and take advantage of the in-person meetings in Bali, for
those of us attending, to develop a CS agenda. Also, as others have pointed out,
we know so little about the initiative at this point.</DIV>
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<DIV>The draft text (available here: <A
href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014"
target=_blank>http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014</A>) does not seem to
capture the cautious optimism that a number of people have expressed. I also
have concerns about providing our "strongest endorsement" of the Marco Civil
process, when that process is not yet complete. Of course the text of the letter
could change dramatically in just a few hours ;)<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I find Nnenna's approach to be sound, but it does imply a follow on
communication with more concrete proposals. I wonder if it might be more
effective to streamline our communication to the Brazilian president and head of
ICANN. </DIV>
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<DIV>To sum up, I see clear advantages to both "striking while the iron is hot"
and a more cautious approach. But given the factors I mentioned above, I would
support taking some extra time if we need it. In any case, I'm looking forward
to hearing others' ideas and continuing the discussion around this important
development. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best regards, <BR>Deborah </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma <SPAN
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target=_blank>nnenna75@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Dear all<BR><BR>
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<LI>I do believe that if any support there is, from the civil society, it is
support for an IDEA that "appears" more open and inclusive that the current
IGF
<LI>So I am cautious about writing a letter that may be in any way
understood as "Civil Society lauds Dilma and ICANN's push".
<LI>A short letter informing that global Civil Society that are working on,
concerned about and/or interested in IG and Internet issues intend to
play key roles in the summit.
<LI>I believe we should communicate key values we plan to pursue in the
summit
<LI>Underline the central idea of multistakeholder participation
<LI>Say that we are beginnning discussions about the diverse roles that CS
can play and that some time in Bali will be dedicated to the issue during
the BB meeting in Bali.<BR><BR></LI></OL></DIV>If we recall, workshop 127 in
Bali will be discussing the MS Selection processes, and I do hope, personally
that we can use that opportunity to sharpen the focus. A reminder of the
WS is on <A
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=127"
target=_blank>http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=127</A><BR><BR></DIV>I
am traveling in unconnected rural areas but will be back online and I'm happy
to contribute language if any text begins to surface. In case I do not,
here are my ideas:<BR></DIV>
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<LI>Say what exactly it is the global CS is supporting, which is the idea,
and not the institutions
<LI>Make a clear statement on our willingness to engage
<LI>Recall that our engagement is based on the Multistakeholder principle
<LI>Inform that discussions have started and are ongoing
<LI>Say we will be coming up with ore concrete engagement proposals
<LI>Requesto have fundamental info, if available, to help us scope the idea
itself.</LI></OL>
<P>Best</P><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT color=#888888>
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<P>Nnenna<BR></P></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Joana Varon <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com"
target=_blank>joana@varonferraz.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Dear people, <BR><BR></DIV>For the level of information I have (which
is basically: Brazil and ICANN have proposed to host a Summit on Internet
after April - coincidentally or right after the meeting on Sharm el Sheik
and before the presidential elections period), I don't feel comfortable
about writing a letter congratulating for something I dont really know what
it is. <BR><BR></DIV>But I do truly support Anja's suggestion to start
working on our agenda online and, with a potential to be much richer, during
our several meetings in Bali. (what do we want from all this besides
participating in the Summit??) <BR><BR></DIV>In the meanwhile, I rather take
breath to understand and discuss this with the Brazilian government and
Brazilian colleagues from civil society or other sectors. And see what is
the final draft of Marco Civil that the government will bring to our table
very soon (if it truly endorses all the principles she has mentioned at the
UNGA). <BR><BR></DIV>I'm sorry if it's a bit of a skeptic or over cautious
position, but I really need more inputs to see the big picture. <BR>
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<DIV>All the best<SPAN><FONT
color=#888888><BR><BR>joana<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM, michael gurstein
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
target=_blank>gurstein@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
target=_blank>bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
target=_blank>bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</A>] On Behalf Of Carlos
A. Afonso<BR>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:12 AM<BR>To: McTim<BR>Cc:
<A href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A>; michael gurstein; Lee W
McKnight; Rafik<BR>Dammak; Joana Varon; <,<A
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target=_blank>bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A>>,; NCSG
List<BR>Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade:
Brazil will<BR>host world event on Internet governance in
2014<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear compa McT,<BR><BR>You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will
not change your logical view...<BR>:) And I understand there is a lot of
people in all sectors who feel<BR>disturbed by the emerging presence of
Brazil and its concrete proposals to<BR>finally move on.<BR><BR>At the
very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's statement<BR>at
the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of civil
society<BR>defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio
program and her<BR>twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a
planetary framework of<BR>rights. This did not come out of the blue, from
a meeting of IP addressers<BR>in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do
you think Fadi just dropped by the<BR>presidential door in Brasilia,
knocked and entered to sell that proposal? :)<BR><BR>Anyway, it is
relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet<BR>another
Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called IGF,<BR>as
both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major achievement
that<BR>that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort jointly with
BR.<BR><BR>All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors
within the<BR>government who would love to bring the root-zone to the
purview of the ITU,<BR>who hate Icann, who do not like the
pluriparticipative model of governance<BR>we defend, and who are basically
associated with the transnational telecom<BR>oligopoly which controls the
main networks in BR.<BR>Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here,
to defend those<BR>principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the
meeting with thar<BR>proposal was a major political milestone for her in
those internal disputes<BR>as well.<BR><BR>[]
fraterno<BR><BR>--c.a.<BR><BR>On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote:<BR>>
At 55 seconds in, Fadi says:<BR>> "Her Excellency President Rousseff
has accepted our invitation that we<BR>> hold next year a Global
Summit"<BR>><BR>> Seem fairly clear to me.<BR>><BR>> On Thu,
Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <<A
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target=_blank>ca@cafonso.ca</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times
more... :)<BR>>><BR>>> --c.a.<BR>>><BR>>> On
10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote:<BR>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at
11:50 PM, michael gurstein <<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
target=_blank>gurstein@gmail.com</A>><BR>wrote:<BR>>>>> Why
so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but
this<BR>>>>> isn't just about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi
for getting this<BR></DIV></DIV>>>>> going and putting that
into play.<BR>
<DIV>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> I'm not pessimistic or
cynical.<BR>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is
going<BR>>>>> to invite the world to Rio in April next year to
discuss names and<BR>>>>> numbers. Rather my reading is that
she is by-passing the quite<BR>>>>> evident log-jam at the
ITU, the frivolities of the IGF, the now<BR>>>>> discredited
"Internet Freedom" crusade and the status quo which
it<BR></DIV>>>>> was intended to cast into concrete errr.
(non) rules and regs.<BR>
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<DIV>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> It
appears to me, after watching the video again several times
that<BR>>>> it is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the
Montevideoans) that are<BR>>>> spearheading this. In other
words the idea of the Summit comes from<BR>>>> the T&A folks,
not
Brasilia.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR
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<DIV>-- <BR>-- <BR><BR>Joana Varon Ferraz<BR>@joana_varon<BR>PGP
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