<div dir="ltr"><div>I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next few days, but would be very happy to do so if people agree it can wait until Bali. As I explained earlier, I in any case think that is a good idea, as I believe that the letter really should include a CS agenda (or at least an outline of such an agenda as well), and Bali will give us an opportunity to really work on that. As Parminder also noted, the point is to influence the process now that there still seems a chance of doing so, not just to support it.<br>
<br>If others feel, however, that a letter should go out immediately and would like to work on it, I would be very happy for them to go ahead. <br><br></div>Thanks and best,<br>Anja<br><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I'm not a great drafter of letters but I could work with someone (Anja?) to try to get a draft out in the next few days.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I agree about sending a letter of support. . <br>
Especially since it could possibly push things along, in more positive directions. <br><br>And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative, we could put in the stake early.... Who knows in exchange for the legitimacy gained through civil society participation someone may even give us some elevated seats at the table... Brazil has often jumped to such partnership opportunity with civil society in other areas, and offered genuine partnerships.<br>
<br>So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the initiative, and so on. <br><br>parminder</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thursday 10 October 2013 08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of support would be desireable. I would be very surprised if our earlier letter of support for Dilma's speech at the UN was not communicated to her, perhaps even directly through one or another of our Brazilian colleagues or through those on her staff who are monitoring these activities; and who knows, perhaps even contributed to strengthening her (and Fadi's) resolve to take such a courageous and even audacious step.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A letter of support could only reinforce her/their intentions in this matter and indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as a CS group are in support of this development, intend to provide on-going support as it develops and further intend to actively contribute to its success through ensuring that the public interest of all, globally, are reflected in the Internet governance structure which hopefully will emerge.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">M </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>matthew shears<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I agree that we need to approach this with some caution. That said, we should start working on a CS agenda for this summit - its good for CS to communicate its expectations of such events early and we should start this process in Bali. Less convinced about the need (or desirability) of writing letters of appreciation to all and sundry - we can always note our appreciation in the agenda we work up.<br>
<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p>I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it is difficult not to be enthused by this proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous opportunity for all of us to engage in this debate. Why don't we start working on another letter to Rousseff, in which we support the idea but also start outlining a CS agenda for the summit? What would we like to see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use our discussions in Bali as a basis from which to start drafting such an agenda.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>And maybe time for a word of appreciation to Chehade as well, at least from those of us who believe that the internationalisation of ICANN would be a good thing :)<u></u><u></u></p><p>What do others think?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Best,<br>Anja<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/13 06:33, John Curran wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre>On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank"><avri@acm.org></a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre>Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?<u></u><u></u></pre>
</blockquote><pre>It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can <u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>participate on an equal footing...<u></u><u></u></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>It puts civil society to shame in how timid we, at large, have been in proposing similar advances on the status quo. (I have not made much of a secret of the fact that I was disappointed in the number of endorsements that the Best Bits statement on enhanced cooperation (<a href="http://bestbits.net/ec" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>) received, though in part I accept that this was because the statement was simply too long.)<br>
<br>This has also, in one stroke, determined the IGF's future. Of course the writing has been on the wall for the IGF for a while now, but it has now officially become irrelevant in terms of its larger role in multi-stakeholder Internet governance as originally anticipated in the Tunis Agenda. Of course it will continue to have a role as a discussion forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil a larger role has moved elsewhere.<br>
<br>It also neutralises the effect of the old guard of the technical community (ISOC mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation. Whilst they can still oppose meaningful implementation of enhanced cooperation reforms, this opposition is now utterly token and ineffectual. With Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost patience and forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone arguing against reforms at the WGEC looking silly and irrelevant. <u></u><u></u></p>
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</div></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre>-- <u></u><u></u></pre><pre> <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Matthew Shears<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Director and Representative<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Global Internet Policy and Human Rights<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)<u></u><u></u></pre><pre><a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a><u></u><u></u></pre>
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