<div dir="ltr">Hi Parminder,<div><br></div><div>being from developing county myself , I am not supporting cyber conf in seoul approach and asked why we should support a summit in Brazil yet to be defined  when there are a lot of concerns about cyber conf series . the inflation of fora is not in benefit of CS and in particular those from developing countries </div>

<div>I would like to have clear principles about such IG conference and fora , I don't think that we can or should prevent them but at least asking them to embrace the principles of openness , inclusion etc</div><div class="gmail_extra">

<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Rafik </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/10 parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span><br>

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    I am great votary of both (1) civil society jumping headlong into
    all *important* *global* IG processes, whether *UN or not*, and (2)
    fluid agendas ...<br>
    <br>
    However cant but note a point. I had earlier repeatedly called for
    us to look into OCED's CICCP related *global* Internet policy
    development processes and its outcomes, and the process and outcomes
    of the Seoul cyber conference (or the London and Budapest
    series).... In fact I kept insisting  that we do so .... But with a
    very lukewarm response if any..... <br>
    <br>
    How do we square such cascading support for taking charge of the
    Brazil's new proposed (hardly born yet) process with this earlier
    attitude....<br>
    <br>
    Why is that all processes where developing countries have important,
    or even significant, role require urgent examination and
    intervention, but those led by developed countries perhaps
    considered, what is it, friendly, safe ..... ??<br>
    <br>
    Now, before anyone gets offended.... let me say, no personal offence
    intended, mine is (and is always) a political statement in  a
    political space.... And I cant but do what I consider is my job as
    political civil society, with strong leanings towards Southern and
    other marginalised interests. <br>
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    Thanks for understanding, parminder<div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <div>On Thursday 10 October 2013 07:10 PM,
      Andrew Puddephatt wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            think the Brazil initiative gives us a useful focus and we
            should definitely make time to discuss it on the fist
            morning.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
            general, though we have  suggested agenda I think we should
            be open to hacking the event and letting participants drive
            it the way they want if we can go for concrete positive
            outcomes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Malcolm<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 10 October 2013 14:24<br>
                <b>To:</b> Valeria Betancourt<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Anja Kovacs;
                <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net&gt" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net&gt</a> &lt<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] [governance] Rousseff
                & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet
                governance in 2014<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2013, at 9:11 PM, Valeria
              Betancourt <<a href="mailto:valeriab@apc.org" target="_blank">valeriab@apc.org</a>>
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Anja on her proposal.
                Taking the opportunity not only for expressing our
                support but for outlining a civil society agenda for the
                summit would be an strategic move. + 1 as well on
                proposal re Chehade.  Do you think it would be one of
                the outcomes of our meeting in Bali?  <u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">+1 from me - and the steering committee
            is discussing too.  Let's see if we can't shuffle the day 1
            schedule to include this, going beyond just an expression of
            support, but including some more substantive output that can
            be tabled at the IGF.<u></u><u></u></p>
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