<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Any sense of the possible date(s) in April 2015 when the meeting/conference/ ministerial might take place?<div><br></div><div>Robert<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2013-10-10, at 9:32 AM, avri wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I think this is a good approach. And I agree that expressing appreciation of the direction they seem to be leading towards, combined with a CS proposal would be a good outcome of the BestBits meeting.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Valeria Betancourt <<a href="mailto:valeriab@apc.org">valeriab@apc.org</a>> <br>Date: 10/10/2013 09:11 (GMT-05:00) <br>To: Anja Kovacs <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>> <br>Cc: Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>,"<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> <" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014 <br> <br><br><div>I agree with Anja on her proposal. Taking the opportunity not only for expressing our support but for outlining a civil society agenda for the summit would be an strategic move. + 1 as well on proposal re Chehade. Do you think it would be one of the outcomes of our meeting in Bali? </div><div><br></div><div>Valeria </div><div><br></div><div><div>On 10/10/2013, at 0:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p>I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it is difficult not to be enthused by this proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous opportunity for all of us to engage in this debate. Why don't we start working on another letter to Rousseff, in which we support the idea but also start outlining a CS agenda for the summit? What would we like to see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use our discussions in Bali as a basis from which to start drafting such an agenda.</p><p>And maybe time for a word of appreciation to Chehade as well, at least from those of us who believe that the internationalisation of ICANN would be a good thing :)</p><p>What do others think?</p><p>Best,<br> Anja</p> <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div>On 10/10/13 06:33, John Curran wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank"><avri@acm.org></a> wrote:
</pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?
</pre> </blockquote> <pre>It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance
challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards
an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can
participate on an equal footing...
</pre> </blockquote> <br> It puts civil society to shame in how timid we, at large, have been in proposing similar advances on the status quo. (I have not made much of a secret of the fact that I was disappointed in the number of endorsements that the Best Bits statement on enhanced cooperation (<a href="http://bestbits.net/ec" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>) received, though in part I accept that this was because the statement was simply too long.)<br> <br> This has also, in one stroke, determined the IGF's future. Of course the writing has been on the wall for the IGF for a while now, but it has now officially become irrelevant in terms of its larger role in multi-stakeholder Internet governance as originally anticipated in the Tunis Agenda. Of course it will continue to have a role as a discussion forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil a larger role has moved elsewhere.<br> <br> It also neutralises the effect of the old guard of the technical community (ISOC mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation. Whilst they can still oppose meaningful implementation of enhanced cooperation reforms, this opposition is now utterly token and ineffectual. With Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost patience and forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone arguing against reforms at the WGEC looking silly and irrelevant. <br> <br> <div>-- <br><p style="font-size:9.0pt"><b>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br> Senior Policy Officer<br> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</b><br> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599</p><p style="font-size:9.0pt">Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone" target="_blank">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a></p><p style="font-size:9.0pt">@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/" target="_blank">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a></p><p style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#999999">Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. Don't print this email unless necessary.</p><p><strong><span style="color:red">WARNING</span></strong><span style="">: This email has not been encrypted. You are strongly recommended to enable PGP or S/MIME encryption at your end. For instructions, see <a href="http://jere.my/l/8m" target="_blank">http://jere.my/l/8m</a>.</span></p> </div> </div> </blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>