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    <font face="Verdana">Anja<br>
      <br>
      It wont take more than a few hours of work... The time to send
      something is now, in 3-4 days. A lot would get talked in the next
      few days and before things get set down CS should put its foot in
      the door.... see if you can give it some time..<br>
      <br>
      parminder<br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 10 October 2013 09:49 PM,
      Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
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        <div>I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next
          few days, but would be very happy to do so if people agree it
          can wait until Bali. As I explained earlier, I in any case
          think that is a good idea, as I believe that the letter really
          should include a CS agenda (or at least an outline of such an
          agenda as well), and Bali will give us an opportunity to
          really work on that. As Parminder also noted, the point is to
          influence the process now that there still seems a chance of
          doing so, not just to support it.<br>
          <br>
          If others feel, however, that a letter should go out
          immediately and would like to work on it, I would be very
          happy for them to go ahead. <br>
          <br>
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        Thanks and best,<br>
        Anja<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael
          gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I'm
                    not a great drafter of letters but I could work with
                    someone (Anja?) to try to get a draft out in the
                    next few days.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">N</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
                          target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
                          target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM</span></p>
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                        <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
                          target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance]
                        Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world
                        event on Internet governance in 2014</div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I agree
                        about sending a letter of support. . <br>
                        Especially since it could possibly push things
                        along, in more positive directions. <br>
                        <br>
                        And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative,
                        we could put in the stake  early.... Who knows
                        in exchange for the legitimacy gained through
                        civil society participation someone may even
                        give us some elevated seats at the table...
                        Brazil has often jumped to such partnership
                        opportunity with civil society in other areas,
                        and offered genuine partnerships.<br>
                        <br>
                        So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the
                        initiative,  and so on. <br>
                        <br>
                        parminder</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Thursday 10 October 2013
                        08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                          disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of
                          support would be desireable.  I would be very
                          surprised if our earlier letter of support for
                          Dilma's speech at the UN was not communicated
                          to her, perhaps even directly through one or
                          another of our Brazilian colleagues or through
                          those on her staff who are monitoring these
                          activities; and who knows, perhaps even
                          contributed to strengthening her (and Fadi's)
                          resolve to take such a courageous and even
                          audacious step.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A
                          letter of support could only reinforce
                          her/their intentions in this matter and
                          indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as
                          a CS group are in support of this development,
                          intend to provide on-going support as it
                          develops and further intend to actively
                          contribute to its success through ensuring
                          that the public interest of all, globally, are
                          reflected in the Internet governance structure
                          which hopefully will emerge.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">M
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
                                target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                              [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
                                target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>]
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>matthew shears<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013
                              2:28 AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
                                target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re:
                              [governance] Rousseff & Chehade:
                              Brazil will host world event on Internet
                              governance in 2014</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I agree that we need to
                        approach this with some caution.  That said, we
                        should start working on a CS agenda for this
                        summit - its good for CS to communicate its
                        expectations of such events early and we should
                        start this process in Bali.  Less convinced
                        about the need (or desirability) of writing
                        letters of appreciation to all and sundry - we
                        can always note our appreciation in the agenda
                        we work up.<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja
                          Kovacs wrote:</p>
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                        <p>I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but
                          it is difficult not to be enthused by this
                          proposal. As Mike points out, it is a
                          tremendous opportunity for all of us to engage
                          in this debate. Why don't we start working on
                          another letter to Rousseff, in which we
                          support the idea but also start outlining a CS
                          agenda for the summit? What would we like to
                          see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use
                          our discussions in Bali as a basis from which
                          to start drafting such an agenda.</p>
                        <p>And maybe time for a word of appreciation to
                          Chehade as well, at least from those of us who
                          believe that the internationalisation of ICANN
                          would be a good thing :)</p>
                        <p>What do others think?</p>
                        <p>Best,<br>
                          Anja</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM,
                            "Jeremy Malcolm" <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org"
                              target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/13 06:33,
                                John Curran wrote:</p>
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                              <pre>On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank"><avri@acm.org></a> wrote:</pre>
                              <blockquote
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                                <pre>Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?</pre>
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                              <pre>It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance </pre>
                              <pre>challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards </pre>
                              <pre>an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can </pre>
                              <pre>participate on an equal footing...</pre>
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                              It puts civil society to shame in how
                              timid we, at large, have been in proposing
                              similar advances on the status quo.  (I
                              have not made much of a secret of the fact
                              that I was disappointed in the number of
                              endorsements that the Best Bits statement
                              on enhanced cooperation (<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://bestbits.net/ec"
                                target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>)
                              received, though in part I accept that
                              this was because the statement was simply
                              too long.)<br>
                              <br>
                              This has also, in one stroke, determined
                              the IGF's future.  Of course the writing
                              has been on the wall for the IGF for a
                              while now, but it has now officially
                              become irrelevant in terms of its larger
                              role in multi-stakeholder Internet
                              governance as originally anticipated in
                              the Tunis Agenda.  Of course it will
                              continue to have a role as a discussion
                              forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil
                              a  larger role has moved elsewhere.<br>
                              <br>
                              It also neutralises the effect of the old
                              guard of the technical community (ISOC
                              mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced
                              Cooperation.  Whilst they can still oppose
                              meaningful implementation of enhanced
                              cooperation reforms, this opposition is
                              now utterly token and ineffectual.  With
                              Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost patience
                              and forging ahead regardless, this leaves
                              anyone arguing against reforms at the WGEC
                              looking silly and irrelevant. </p>
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                      <pre>-- </pre>
                      <pre> </pre>
                      <pre>Matthew Shears</pre>
                      <pre>Director and Representative</pre>
                      <pre>Global Internet Policy and Human Rights</pre>
                      <pre>Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)</pre>
                      <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a></pre>
                      <pre>+44 (0) 771 247 2987</pre>
                      <pre>Skype: mshears</pre>
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        -- <br>
        Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
        The Internet Democracy Project<br>
        <br>
        +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><br>
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