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<font face="Verdana">Anja<br>
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It wont take more than a few hours of work... The time to send
something is now, in 3-4 days. A lot would get talked in the next
few days and before things get set down CS should put its foot in
the door.... see if you can give it some time..<br>
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parminder<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 10 October 2013 09:49 PM,
Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
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<div>I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next
few days, but would be very happy to do so if people agree it
can wait until Bali. As I explained earlier, I in any case
think that is a good idea, as I believe that the letter really
should include a CS agenda (or at least an outline of such an
agenda as well), and Bali will give us an opportunity to
really work on that. As Parminder also noted, the point is to
influence the process now that there still seems a chance of
doing so, not just to support it.<br>
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If others feel, however, that a letter should go out
immediately and would like to work on it, I would be very
happy for them to go ahead. <br>
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Thanks and best,<br>
Anja<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael
gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I'm
not a great drafter of letters but I could work with
someone (Anja?) to try to get a draft out in the
next few days.</span></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM</span></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance]
Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world
event on Internet governance in 2014</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I agree
about sending a letter of support. . <br>
Especially since it could possibly push things
along, in more positive directions. <br>
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And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative,
we could put in the stake early.... Who knows
in exchange for the legitimacy gained through
civil society participation someone may even
give us some elevated seats at the table...
Brazil has often jumped to such partnership
opportunity with civil society in other areas,
and offered genuine partnerships.<br>
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So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the
initiative, and so on. <br>
<br>
parminder</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thursday 10 October 2013
08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of
support would be desireable. I would be very
surprised if our earlier letter of support for
Dilma's speech at the UN was not communicated
to her, perhaps even directly through one or
another of our Brazilian colleagues or through
those on her staff who are monitoring these
activities; and who knows, perhaps even
contributed to strengthening her (and Fadi's)
resolve to take such a courageous and even
audacious step.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A
letter of support could only reinforce
her/their intentions in this matter and
indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as
a CS group are in support of this development,
intend to provide on-going support as it
develops and further intend to actively
contribute to its success through ensuring
that the public interest of all, globally, are
reflected in the Internet governance structure
which hopefully will emerge.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>matthew shears<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013
2:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re:
[governance] Rousseff & Chehade:
Brazil will host world event on Internet
governance in 2014</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree that we need to
approach this with some caution. That said, we
should start working on a CS agenda for this
summit - its good for CS to communicate its
expectations of such events early and we should
start this process in Bali. Less convinced
about the need (or desirability) of writing
letters of appreciation to all and sundry - we
can always note our appreciation in the agenda
we work up.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja
Kovacs wrote:</p>
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<p>I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but
it is difficult not to be enthused by this
proposal. As Mike points out, it is a
tremendous opportunity for all of us to engage
in this debate. Why don't we start working on
another letter to Rousseff, in which we
support the idea but also start outlining a CS
agenda for the summit? What would we like to
see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use
our discussions in Bali as a basis from which
to start drafting such an agenda.</p>
<p>And maybe time for a word of appreciation to
Chehade as well, at least from those of us who
believe that the internationalisation of ICANN
would be a good thing :)</p>
<p>What do others think?</p>
<p>Best,<br>
Anja</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM,
"Jeremy Malcolm" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/13 06:33,
John Curran wrote:</p>
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<pre>On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank"><avri@acm.org></a> wrote:</pre>
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<pre>Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?</pre>
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<pre>It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance </pre>
<pre>challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards </pre>
<pre>an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can </pre>
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It puts civil society to shame in how
timid we, at large, have been in proposing
similar advances on the status quo. (I
have not made much of a secret of the fact
that I was disappointed in the number of
endorsements that the Best Bits statement
on enhanced cooperation (<a
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href="http://bestbits.net/ec"
target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>)
received, though in part I accept that
this was because the statement was simply
too long.)<br>
<br>
This has also, in one stroke, determined
the IGF's future. Of course the writing
has been on the wall for the IGF for a
while now, but it has now officially
become irrelevant in terms of its larger
role in multi-stakeholder Internet
governance as originally anticipated in
the Tunis Agenda. Of course it will
continue to have a role as a discussion
forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil
a larger role has moved elsewhere.<br>
<br>
It also neutralises the effect of the old
guard of the technical community (ISOC
mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced
Cooperation. Whilst they can still oppose
meaningful implementation of enhanced
cooperation reforms, this opposition is
now utterly token and ineffectual. With
Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost patience
and forging ahead regardless, this leaves
anyone arguing against reforms at the WGEC
looking silly and irrelevant. </p>
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