<div dir="ltr">I don't think that we can send someone to Bali but we'd be happy to join a session remotely or talk ideas / strategy anytime. Is there a central location where we can get info or can someone keep us in the loop?<br>
<br>-Evan<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>It could be a great idea - and it's certainly not a terrible one. WSIS was, indeed, run along those lines with (many) parallel civil society convening a an alternative civil society declaration coming out of it. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Obvious challenges: the fact that civil society organising structures have crumbled since then, the lack of funding, the short time scale to organise...</div><div><br></div><div>Could FFTF/IDL join us in Bali, in person or remotely? It is really important for the rest of us to connect with your community, I feel.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hey everyone,<br><br>Evan here from Fight for the Future and the Internet Defense League.<br><br></div>I won't pretend that we are well connected to global internet governance issues, but we are very good at mobilizing grassroots internet users around the world. <br>
<br></div>I'm wondering what folks thoughts are on organizing an alternative summit in Brazil (like an Internet Social Forum) to coincide with the official event -- giving us the option to run both an inside game and also have a more "pristine" alternative event to discuss our wildest dreams and ideas for the future of the Internet. My experience is that alternative summits like these can be very effective at re-framing the debate within the walls of the official meetings, but provide an opportunity for other work to be done as well.<br>
<br>Brazil is such a hot-bed of social movements and tech that it seems like a strong location for something like this. We have very strong connections on the ground there in a variety of movements.<br><br></div><div>As I said, we are somewhat outsiders to this particular community, but we lurk on this list and try to stay informed, and would be happy to chat with anyone who thinks this idea is great / terrible.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>-Evan Greer<br></div><div>Fight for the Future<br></div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Parminder,<div><br></div><div>being from developing county myself , I am not supporting cyber conf in seoul approach and asked why we should support a summit in Brazil yet to be defined when there are a lot of concerns about cyber conf series . the inflation of fora is not in benefit of CS and in particular those from developing countries </div>
<div>I would like to have clear principles about such IG conference and fora , I don't think that we can or should prevent them but at least asking them to embrace the principles of openness , inclusion etc</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Rafik </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/10 parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span><br>
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I am great votary of both (1) civil society jumping headlong into
all *important* *global* IG processes, whether *UN or not*, and (2)
fluid agendas ...<br>
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However cant but note a point. I had earlier repeatedly called for
us to look into OCED's CICCP related *global* Internet policy
development processes and its outcomes, and the process and outcomes
of the Seoul cyber conference (or the London and Budapest
series).... In fact I kept insisting that we do so .... But with a
very lukewarm response if any..... <br>
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How do we square such cascading support for taking charge of the
Brazil's new proposed (hardly born yet) process with this earlier
attitude....<br>
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Why is that all processes where developing countries have important,
or even significant, role require urgent examination and
intervention, but those led by developed countries perhaps
considered, what is it, friendly, safe ..... ??<br>
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Now, before anyone gets offended.... let me say, no personal offence
intended, mine is (and is always) a political statement in a
political space.... And I cant but do what I consider is my job as
political civil society, with strong leanings towards Southern and
other marginalised interests. <br>
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Thanks for understanding, parminder<div><div><br>
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Taking the opportunity not only for expressing our
support but for outlining a civil society agenda for the
summit would be an strategic move. + 1 as well on
proposal re Chehade. Do you think it would be one of
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schedule to include this, going beyond just an expression of
support, but including some more substantive output that can
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