<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Dear people, <br><br></div>For the level of information I have (which is basically: Brazil and ICANN have proposed to host a Summit on Internet after April - coincidentally or right after the meeting on Sharm el Sheik and before the presidential elections period), I don't feel comfortable about writing a letter congratulating for something I dont really know what it is. <br>
<br></div>But I do truly support Anja's suggestion to start working on our agenda online and, with a potential to be much richer, during our several meetings in Bali. (what do we want from all this besides participating in the Summit??) <br>
<br></div>In the meanwhile, I rather take breath to understand and discuss this with the Brazilian government and Brazilian colleagues from civil society or other sectors. And see what is the final draft of Marco Civil that the government will bring to our table very soon (if it truly endorses all the principles she has mentioned at the UNGA). <br>
<br></div>I'm sorry if it's a bit of a skeptic or over cautious position, but I really need more inputs to see the big picture. <br><div><br></div><div>All the best<br><br>joana<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+1<br>
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will<br>
host world event on Internet governance in 2014<br>
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</div><div><div class="h5">Dear compa McT,<br>
<br>
You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will not change your logical view...<br>
:) And I understand there is a lot of people in all sectors who feel<br>
disturbed by the emerging presence of Brazil and its concrete proposals to<br>
finally move on.<br>
<br>
At the very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's statement<br>
at the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of civil society<br>
defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio program and her<br>
twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a planetary framework of<br>
rights. This did not come out of the blue, from a meeting of IP addressers<br>
in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do you think Fadi just dropped by the<br>
presidential door in Brasilia, knocked and entered to sell that proposal? :)<br>
<br>
Anyway, it is relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet<br>
another Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called IGF,<br>
as both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major achievement that<br>
that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort jointly with BR.<br>
<br>
All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors within the<br>
government who would love to bring the root-zone to the purview of the ITU,<br>
who hate Icann, who do not like the pluriparticipative model of governance<br>
we defend, and who are basically associated with the transnational telecom<br>
oligopoly which controls the main networks in BR.<br>
Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here, to defend those<br>
principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the meeting with thar<br>
proposal was a major political milestone for her in those internal disputes<br>
as well.<br>
<br>
[] fraterno<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
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On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote:<br>
> At 55 seconds in, Fadi says:<br>
> "Her Excellency President Rousseff has accepted our invitation that we<br>
> hold next year a Global Summit"<br>
><br>
> Seem fairly clear to me.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times more... :)<br>
>><br>
>> --c.a.<br>
>><br>
>> On 10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote:<br>
>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>> Why so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but this<br>
>>>> isn't just about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi for getting this<br>
</div></div>>>>> going and putting that into play.<br>
<div class="im">>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm not pessimistic or cynical.<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is going<br>
>>>> to invite the world to Rio in April next year to discuss names and<br>
>>>> numbers. Rather my reading is that she is by-passing the quite<br>
>>>> evident log-jam at the ITU, the frivolities of the IGF, the now<br>
>>>> discredited "Internet Freedom" crusade and the status quo which it<br>
</div>>>>> was intended to cast into concrete errr. (non) rules and regs.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> It appears to me, after watching the video again several times that<br>
>>> it is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the Montevideoans) that are<br>
>>> spearheading this. In other words the idea of the Summit comes from<br>
>>> the T&A folks, not Brasilia.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>-- <br><br>Joana Varon Ferraz<br>@joana_varon<br>PGP 0x016B8E73<br><br><br>
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