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I cannot agree more.<br>
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Not only do I share Rafik's skepticism, I also think we should not
fall into the trap of thinking of ICANN (and the ICANN DNS gold
rush) as being at the core of the policy-making processes that
matter to how people access, use, and develop the internet. <br>
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That ICANN is now setting broader agendas, along with governments,
reflects entirely what is problematic with how power and influence
plays out in IG and I find it alarming.<br>
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Definitely agree with Anja and others who say that CS should get
involved in this debate. A critical perspective is needed now more
than ever. <br>
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Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2013 16:34, Rafik Dammak
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<div>I insist about caution even if it is not popular :) I
understand that some see a window of opportunity and
possibility for CS to outline an agenda and influence a
summit (which remains to be defined). </div>
<div>I want CS to be more proactive and set the tone and I
found strange that we are issuing statement to support
other statements or speeches, I would prefer that we support
more concrete actions and real commitments instead than
just plain speeches.</div>
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<div>and in particular for Fadi, I would like to ask him to
apply what he is preaching about multistakeholderism and
respect process and stakeholders within ICANN .</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/10 matthew shears <span
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I agree that we
need to approach this with some caution. That said, we
should start working on a CS agenda for this summit -
its good for CS to communicate its expectations of such
events early and we should start this process in Bali.
Less convinced about the need (or desirability) of
writing letters of appreciation to all and sundry - we
can always note our appreciation in the agenda we work
up.
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<div>On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
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<p>I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it
is difficult not to be enthused by this
proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous
opportunity for all of us to engage in this
debate. Why don't we start working on another
letter to Rousseff, in which we support the idea
but also start outlining a CS agenda for the
summit? What would we like to see such a summit
achieving? Maybe we can use our discussions in
Bali as a basis from which to start drafting
such an agenda.</p>
<p>And maybe time for a word of appreciation to
Chehade as well, at least from those of us who
believe that the internationalisation of ICANN
would be a good thing :)</p>
<p>What do others think?</p>
<p>Best,<br>
Anja</p>
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<pre>Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?
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<pre>It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance
challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards
an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can
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It puts civil society to shame in how timid
we, at large, have been in proposing similar
advances on the status quo. (I have not
made much of a secret of the fact that I was
disappointed in the number of endorsements
that the Best Bits statement on enhanced
cooperation (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bestbits.net/ec"
target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>)
received, though in part I accept that this
was because the statement was simply too
long.)<br>
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This has also, in one stroke, determined the
IGF's future. Of course the writing has
been on the wall for the IGF for a while
now, but it has now officially become
irrelevant in terms of its larger role in
multi-stakeholder Internet governance as
originally anticipated in the Tunis Agenda.
Of course it will continue to have a role as
a discussion forum, but the momentum for it
to fulfil a larger role has moved
elsewhere.<br>
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It also neutralises the effect of the old
guard of the technical community (ISOC
mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced
Cooperation. Whilst they can still oppose
meaningful implementation of enhanced
cooperation reforms, this opposition is now
utterly token and ineffectual. With Brazil
(and ICANN!) having lost patience and
forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone
arguing against reforms at the WGEC looking
silly and irrelevant. <br>
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