<div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>I see the advantage of engaging early on this, but I'm a bit concerned that we are rushing unnecessarily to finalize a letter before many of us travel and are otherwise overstretched. I wonder if it might make more sense to continue this discussion online and take advantage of the in-person meetings in Bali, for those of us attending, to develop a CS agenda. Also, as others have pointed out, we know so little about the initiative at this point.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The draft text (available here: <a href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014</a>) does not seem to capture the cautious optimism that a number of people have expressed. I also have concerns about providing our "strongest endorsement" of the Marco Civil process, when that process is not yet complete. Of course the text of the letter could change dramatically in just a few hours ;)<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I find Nnenna's approach to be sound, but it does imply a follow on communication with more concrete proposals. I wonder if it might be more effective to streamline our communication to the Brazilian president and head of ICANN. </div>
<div><br></div><div>To sum up, I see clear advantages to both "striking while the iron is hot" and a more cautious approach. But given the factors I mentioned above, I would support taking some extra time if we need it. In any case, I'm looking forward to hearing others' ideas and continuing the discussion around this important development. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Best regards, <br>Deborah </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear all<br><br><ol><li>I do believe that if any support there is, from the civil society, it is support for an IDEA that "appears" more open and inclusive that the current IGF</li>
<li>
So I am cautious about writing a letter that may be in any way understood as "Civil Society lauds Dilma and ICANN's push".</li>
<li>A short letter informing that global Civil Society that are working on, concerned about and/or interested in IG and Internet issues intend to play key roles in the summit.</li><li>I believe we should communicate key values we plan to pursue in the summit</li>
<li>Underline the central idea of multistakeholder participation</li><li>Say that we are beginnning discussions about the diverse roles that CS can play and that some time in Bali will be dedicated to the issue during the BB meeting in Bali.<br>
<br></li></ol></div>If we recall, workshop 127 in Bali will be discussing the MS Selection processes, and I do hope, personally that we can use that opportunity to sharpen the focus. A reminder of the WS is on <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=127" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=127</a><br>
<br></div>I am traveling in unconnected rural areas but will be back online and I'm happy to contribute language if any text begins to surface. In case I do not, here are my ideas:<br></div><ol><li>Say what exactly it is the global CS is supporting, which is the idea, and not the institutions</li>
<li>Make a clear statement on our willingness to engage</li><li>Recall that our engagement is based on the Multistakeholder principle</li><li>Inform that discussions have started and are ongoing</li><li>Say we will be coming up with ore concrete engagement proposals</li>
<li>Requesto have fundamental info, if available, to help us scope the idea itself.</li></ol><p>Best</p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p><br></p><p>Nnenna<br></p></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Joana Varon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com" target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Dear people, <br><br></div>For the level of information I have (which is basically: Brazil and ICANN have proposed to host a Summit on Internet after April - coincidentally or right after the meeting on Sharm el Sheik and before the presidential elections period), I don't feel comfortable about writing a letter congratulating for something I dont really know what it is. <br>
<br></div>But I do truly support Anja's suggestion to start working on our agenda online and, with a potential to be much richer, during our several meetings in Bali. (what do we want from all this besides participating in the Summit??) <br>
<br></div>In the meanwhile, I rather take breath to understand and discuss this with the Brazilian government and Brazilian colleagues from civil society or other sectors. And see what is the final draft of Marco Civil that the government will bring to our table very soon (if it truly endorses all the principles she has mentioned at the UNGA). <br>
<br></div>I'm sorry if it's a bit of a skeptic or over cautious position, but I really need more inputs to see the big picture. <br><div><br></div><div>All the best<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>joana<br></font></span></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+1<br>
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M<br>
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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will<br>
host world event on Internet governance in 2014<br>
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</div><div><div>Dear compa McT,<br>
<br>
You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will not change your logical view...<br>
:) And I understand there is a lot of people in all sectors who feel<br>
disturbed by the emerging presence of Brazil and its concrete proposals to<br>
finally move on.<br>
<br>
At the very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's statement<br>
at the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of civil society<br>
defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio program and her<br>
twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a planetary framework of<br>
rights. This did not come out of the blue, from a meeting of IP addressers<br>
in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do you think Fadi just dropped by the<br>
presidential door in Brasilia, knocked and entered to sell that proposal? :)<br>
<br>
Anyway, it is relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet<br>
another Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called IGF,<br>
as both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major achievement that<br>
that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort jointly with BR.<br>
<br>
All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors within the<br>
government who would love to bring the root-zone to the purview of the ITU,<br>
who hate Icann, who do not like the pluriparticipative model of governance<br>
we defend, and who are basically associated with the transnational telecom<br>
oligopoly which controls the main networks in BR.<br>
Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here, to defend those<br>
principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the meeting with thar<br>
proposal was a major political milestone for her in those internal disputes<br>
as well.<br>
<br>
[] fraterno<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
<br>
On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote:<br>
> At 55 seconds in, Fadi says:<br>
> "Her Excellency President Rousseff has accepted our invitation that we<br>
> hold next year a Global Summit"<br>
><br>
> Seem fairly clear to me.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times more... :)<br>
>><br>
>> --c.a.<br>
>><br>
>> On 10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote:<br>
>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>> Why so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but this<br>
>>>> isn't just about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi for getting this<br>
</div></div>>>>> going and putting that into play.<br>
<div>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm not pessimistic or cynical.<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is going<br>
>>>> to invite the world to Rio in April next year to discuss names and<br>
>>>> numbers. Rather my reading is that she is by-passing the quite<br>
>>>> evident log-jam at the ITU, the frivolities of the IGF, the now<br>
>>>> discredited "Internet Freedom" crusade and the status quo which it<br>
</div>>>>> was intended to cast into concrete errr. (non) rules and regs.<br>
<div><div>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> It appears to me, after watching the video again several times that<br>
>>> it is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the Montevideoans) that are<br>
>>> spearheading this. In other words the idea of the Summit comes from<br>
>>> the T&A folks, not Brasilia.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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