<div dir="ltr">Ok. so here is what we will do. <div><br></div><div>1) Item 4 will be changed to: </div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"R</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">einforce our support </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">for an extension into broader spheres of Internet Governance of </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">the</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> experiences from the</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> Brazilian multistakeholder model </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">of </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Internet governance</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">,</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">led</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> by CGI.br",</span><br>
</div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">2) Jeremy and I will send an email noting it to all the people who already endorsed, noting this change and giving them the posibility to withdraw their support (which I think will be unlikely). Well, thats not the ideal process to do that. But, we will be happy to have ICG, APC, etc supporting the statement and more important, we got your points on the dangerous of the current version. </font></div>
<div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">OK????</font></div><div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+1 to Anja's point.<br>
<br>
with this change I will recommend that it be signed by IGC and groups I am a member of, and will sign it myself on the bestbits site<br>
<br>
From Carolina<br>
> Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email<br>
<br>
But since<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> not that it will change at this point, but it would be good to be sure we have your language<br>
<br>
</div>Not sure why we are still trying.<br>
<br>
Without a statement supporting a well formed multistakeholder model, I do not want to contribute to a statement that seems to me to approve the way Governments currently work.<br>
<br>
re:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Prefer the previous 4.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
avri<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but if it is the one in which point 4 starts as follows:<br>
><br>
> "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
><br>
> My answer is yes, we would support that.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Anja<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Yes, i would, I did, accept that, as it balances support to the Marco Civil with support for the multistakeholder governance.<br>
><br>
> When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on approving the process of the past as opposed to suggesting a way to improve in the future.<br>
><br>
> That works for me.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
> On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:<br>
><br>
> > [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
> ><br>
> > Suppose the drafters of the letter were willing to backtrack to this<br>
> > version, would the IGC then be able to endorse the letter?<br>
> ><br>
> > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly that your objections would<br>
> > be moot in this case?<br>
> ><br>
> > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to this version of point 4, or would<br>
> > the shortened version just have been strongly preferable from your<br>
> > perspective?<br>
> ><br>
> > Greetings,<br>
> > Norbert<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >><br>
><br>
><br>
> >> Letter from International Civil Society Organizations to President<br>
> >> Dilma Rousseff in support of her statement at the 68th Session of the<br>
> >> UNGA<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Your Excellency,<br>
> >><br>
> >> We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from around the<br>
> >> world, committed to the development of the Internet and its use for<br>
> >> advancing social and economic justice, would like to express our<br>
> >> strong support for the statement delivered this week by your<br>
> >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations General<br>
> >> Assembly. We commend you for taking a leading role on these issues<br>
> >> and would like to:<br>
> >><br>
> >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles enunciated on the occasion, in<br>
> >> clear accordance with the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee's<br>
> >> Principles for the Governance and Use of the Internet.<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely adoption of the Brazilian<br>
> >> Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco Civil da Internet) in a way that<br>
> >> upholds these principles.<br>
><br>
><br>
> >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in<br>
> >> expressing disapproval and demanding explanations from the USA about<br>
> >> the procedures of illegal interception of information and data,<br>
> >> framing it as a grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties<br>
> >><br>
> >> 4. Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of<br>
> >> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian<br>
> >> multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br, which<br>
> >> comprises representatives from Government, Scientific and Technology<br>
> >> Community, private sector and Civil Society on an equal footing.<br>
> >><br>
> >> We express our deep appreciation for your serious commitment to<br>
> >> social justice and development, of which an open, stable, and<br>
> >> reliable Internet is a fundamental pillar.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Signatories:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro<br>
> >> <<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a> > wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and me in<br>
> >> drafting this reduced optimal version. : ) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at<br>
> >> 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph and we are all set. --srs (htc<br>
> >> one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM "Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:<br>
> >> Agree with Ian. This parag is all that matters. Louis - - - On Thu,<br>
> >> Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> > wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ive just looked again at this and it is getting longer and at the<br>
> >> same time worse. I think it needs a very substantial edit. Any more<br>
> >> than two paragraphs and the chance of it being read is meagre. To<br>
> >> be honest, I think no more than this is necessary. – the first<br>
> >> paragraph We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from<br>
> >> around the world, committed to the development of the Internet and<br>
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> >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations General<br>
> >> Assembly. (reference the speech if you wish for those who would<br>
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