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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 September 2013 03:52
        PM, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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                <div>Hi Louis and Parminder, <br>
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                Until now you were the only ones that didnt agree fully
                with the texto, due to paragraph 4. From what I've got:<br>
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              - Parminder has a stronger take that THE Brazilian model
              should be extended to the world. <br>
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      I am in fact in full agreement to 'The Brazilian model should be
      extended more widely' ..... I just dont agree with your
      description as being the existing Brazilian model :) . It sepaks
      about one part of it but not the other. <br>
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      I am even happy to say<br>
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      "Brazilian multistakeholder model of Internet governance should be
      extended more widely, including to the global level."<br>
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            - Louis said that we should remove that mention on the text.
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            Before we start drafting the text, the issue about of
            multilateral vs multistakeholderism was raised and we came
            to a conclusion that though its not the time to criticize
            this specific point of Dilma's speech, we should reinforce
            our support for developing models for a multistakeholder
            approach on IG, also having CGI experiences as a
            inspiration. <br>
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          <div>Having in mind that for a broader endorsement we need to
            reach this middle ground, would you be fine with the actual
            version or want to submit changes in the language that don't
            affect this (middle ground) meaning? Thanks a lot for the
            understanding. <br>
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      Please see the above formulation. But if you insist that CGI
      experience (which model I like a lot) should be mentioned as an
      inspiration, I am unable to understand why should then the Marco
      Civil experience also be mentioned, the two together kind of
      completing the Brazilian model. <br>
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      so maybe we can say;<br>
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      ""Reinforce our support for the Brazilian multistakeholder
      approach to Internet governance, which model should be extended
      more widely, including to the global level. In this regard CGI and
      Marco Civil process should serve as an inspiration".<br>
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      This formulation just adds Marco Civil process as a part of
      Brazilian IG system to your earlier formulation which I understand
      is only a fact. It takes nothing away from it. <br>
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      parminder <br>
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            best<br>
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            joana<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM,
            Louis Pouzin (well) <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                  <div>IMHO it would be better without parag 4.<br>
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                  Cheers, Louis<br>
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                btw, for those not living there, local brazilian time is
                UTC-3<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote"> On 26 September 2013
                      7:14:17 AM Joana Varon wrote:
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                                  <div>Dear all, <br>
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                                    Please, find a reduced version
                                    below. We are closing the pad now to
                                    avoid more crazy joined editing
                                    processes. Thanks for all the
                                    contributions.<br>
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                                  Let's receive final comments about
                                  very punctual changes or major
                                  disagreements and gaps until tomorrow
                                  (Thursday) 9:00 am (Brazilian time).
                                  Then collect endorsements through out
                                  the day. <br>
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                                  <b>Deadline for signatures will be
                                    this Thursday night, let's say
                                    22:00, also Brazilian time</b>. So
                                  Carlos can deliver it in hand to
                                  President Dilma. <b><br>
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                                  <div>thanks once again,<br>
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                                  <div>joana<br>
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                                    <div><span><b>Letter from</b></span><span><b>
                                          International C</b></span><span><b>ivil

                                          Society</b></span><span><b>
                                          Organizations</b></span><span><b>
                                        </b></span><span><b>to President
                                          Dilma Rousseff in support of
                                          her </b></span><span><b>statement

                                          at </b></span><span><b>the
                                          68th Session of the </b></span><span><b>UNGA </b></span></div>
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                                    <div><span>Your Excellency,</span></div>
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                                    <div> <span>We, the undersigned
                                        organizations and individuals
                                        from around the world</span><span>,
                                        committed to the development of
                                        the Internet</span><span> and
                                        its use for advancing social </span><span>and
                                        economic </span><span>justice</span><span>,
                                        would like to express our strong
                                        support </span><span>f</span><span>o</span><span>r</span><span>
                                        the statement delivered this
                                        week by your </span><span>E</span><span>xcellency

                                      </span><span>at the 68th Session
                                        of</span><span> the United
                                        Nations General Assembly. </span><span>We

                                        commend you for </span><span>taking

                                        a leading role</span><span> on
                                        these issues</span><span> and
                                        would like to:</span></div>
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                                    <div><span>1. Fully endorse the five
                                        principles enunciated on the
                                        occasion, in clear accordance
                                        with the </span><span>
                                        Brazilian Internet Steering
                                        Committee</span><span></span><span><i>'</i></span><span>s</span><span><i>
                                        </i></span><span>Principles for
                                        the Governance and Use of </span><span>the

                                      </span><span>Internet.</span></div>
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                                    <div><span>2. Stress the importance
                                        of the timely adoption of the
                                        Brazilian Draft Bill of Internet
                                        Rights (Marco Civil da Internet)
                                        in a way that upholds these
                                        principles.</span></div>
                                    <div><span> </span></div>
                                    <div><span>3. Commend the courage of
                                        Brazil in expressing disapproval
                                        and demanding explanations from
                                        the USA about the procedures of
                                        illegal interception of 
                                        information and data, framing it
                                        as a grave violation of human
                                        rights and of civil liberties</span></div>
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                                    <div><span>4.</span><span><i> </i></span><span>R</span><span>einforce

                                        our support </span><span>for an
                                        extension into broader spheres
                                        of Internet Governance of </span><span>the</span><span>
                                        experiences from the</span><span>
                                        Brazilian multistakeholder model
                                      </span><span>of </span><span>Internet
                                        governance</span><span>,</span><span>
                                      </span><span>led</span><span> by
                                        CGI.br, which comprises
                                        representatives from Government</span><span>,
                                      </span><span>Scientific and
                                        Technolog</span><span>y</span><span>
                                        Community,</span><span> </span><span>p</span><span>rivate

                                      </span><span>s</span><span>ector</span><span>
                                        and Civil Society on </span><span>an

                                      </span><span>equal footing</span><span>.</span></div>
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                                    <div><span>We </span><span>express
                                      </span><span>our deep appreciation
                                        for your serious commitment to
                                        social justice and development,
                                        of which an open, stable, and
                                        reliable Internet is a
                                        fundamental pillar.</span></div>
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                                    <div><span>Signatories:</span></div>
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          Joana Varon Ferraz<br>
          @joana_varon<br>
          PGP 0x016B8E73<br>
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