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thanks oh byoungil - for my part you have not caused confusion at
all, but simply raised important questions. it is good if this list
has helped you with answers to them.<br>
please let me know if you feel you need any more support to secure
korean civil society participation as we are happy to help if there
is anything suitable you feel we can do<br>
best wishes<br>
<br>
Joy <br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/09/2013 9:45 p.m., Byoung-il Oh
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Anja Kovacs,
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<div>I checked it to the secretariat. As Anja said, at least 3
people from civil society would be invited, Anja Kovacs,
someone from CDT and ISOC. <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">The speaker list of the homepage has
not been updated yet. They will update it as soon as they
got the personal information from speakers. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">
I'm sorry for causing misunderstanding about CS panels. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best, </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Oh byoungil <br>
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2013/9/24 Anja Kovacs <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>></span><br>
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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I'm unfortunately not able to respond at length right
now, but thought I should at least mention that I've
been invited as a speaker (and accepted), and I know
at least three other people from CS will be attending
as well. I don't have any info on other CS speakers.</p>
<p>Best,<br>
Anja</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 24, 2013 12:16 PM,
"Shahzad Ahmad" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shahzad@bytesforall.pk"
target="_blank">shahzad@bytesforall.pk</a>>
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<div>Dear Parminder,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>At least Budapest conference was not that
closed. I know there was an effort to bring
range of stakeholders (including CSOs) to
that event and in some instances even funded
by the Hungarian Government. Though, we
could not attend being committed elsewhere
but we had at least two sessions with the
embassy to inform them of local issues. Some
of the diplomats also went to Budapest to
attend. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We believe that undermining CSOs
strengths and efforts (even among ourselves)
wont't help the cause at all. We believe IGF
is important so are many other spread out
forums. Not necessarily all of us would have
the capacity and time to engage with each
one of them but we appreciate the efforts by
all the colleagues especially CSOs and
academia to keep the struggle up. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So can we all please pay some urgent
attention to the appeal by
Byoungil? Byoungil, please count us in for
any response based on your observations that
you plan to put forward on the openness,
access and objectives of this conference. It
is all the more important to engage with
this given its importance.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes and regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shahzad</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>
parminder <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:51 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>
"<,<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
Re: [bestbits] Seoul Conference on
Cyberspace 2013<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font
face="Verdana">Hi Byoungil<br>
<br>
I may be wrong but I have a somewhat
different perspective on this
Conference on Cyberspace...<br>
<br>
This Seoul conference is one of a
series that started with London Cyber
conference and then went to Budapest,
now coming to Seoul....<br>
<br>
One, it is not inclusive
(multistakeholder etc) not at all
because of any China/ Russia factor,
but because that is how it always has
been. That is how it was designed, and
I can assure you that China and Russia
were not among the chief designers. <br>
<br>
Secondly, it is not an unimportant
conference or site of global IG; it is
a very important one.<br>
<br>
This is how it is.... OECD, UN
Security Council and such spaces are
where big boys play and decide things;
IGF et all are for the show, a largely
managed show for kids, for all those
who would otherwise make noises - yes,
you got it, a large pat of it, civil
society.....<br>
<br>
Now, having developed the basic
frameworks/ principles. this series of
cyber conferences is where part
co-optation is sought from the outside
- from some more powerful countries
outside the 'inner club' , may be one
or two very power non-gov actor
too.... But still a strictly
controlled space (as you found out) ,
of selective co-optation. In these
spaces, the wannabes, euphemistically
called emerging economies, are allowed
a peek in, only if they behave they
could be included into bilateral and
pluri-lateral arrangements. Here, the
policy frameworks and principles
developed in deep secret closed spaces
are sought to be aired a bit, with an
attempt to expand their legitimacy.
(You will find out as you see the
conference outcome documents.) <br>
<br>
Of course, there is no business </font><font
face="Verdana">here </font><font
face="Verdana">of the pesky civil
society kinds . They are too
powerless, and perhaps naive, to even
be offered an co-optation.... They
have their agreed play space at the
IGF where, </font><font
face="Verdana">in less than 2 weeks
after this key global IG meeting</font><font
face="Verdana">, multistakeholderism
will again be celebrated by the same
parties holding this conference as
strictly for 'adults only'. <br>
<br>
Do excuse my ironic tone, but I have
been earlier trying to say in plain
words that we should focus on real
sites of global IG, at least as much
as we do on our few favourite ones.
Incidentally, these latter sites seem
to be also the ones that the most
dominant global IG powers would want
civil society to be stay bogged down
with.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div>On Monday 23 September 2013 09:00
PM, Byoung-il Oh wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi, <br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>As you may know, Seoul
Conference on Cyberspace 2013 will
be held in Seoul on Oct. 17-18. </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seoulcyber2013.kr/en/main/main.do"
target="_blank">http://www.seoulcyber2013.kr/en/main/main.do</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Last May, I had met the chief
officer of Preparatory Secretariat
of the conference to inquire to
him the progress of the
conference. At that time, the
detailed agenda and panelists had
not been fixed yet. In the
meeting, I inquired what would the
output of the conference and how
civil society could participate in
the process. The answer was that
they expected to produce chair's
summary plus as the output, but
needed more discussion on what
could be the 'plus'. </div>
<div>As a preparatory process, they
told several pre-workshop would be
held. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seoulcyber2013.kr/en/event/workshop.html"
target="_blank">http://www.seoulcyber2013.kr/en/event/workshop.html</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, they didn't give
definite answer to the question of
how the result of pre-workshop
would be linked to the output of
the conference, how civil society
could participate in the process
and give opinions to draft the
output. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After the meeting, I felt that
this conference would not be for
making concrete policy through
substantial discussions of
multi-stakeholders, but just
cosmetic diplomatic events.
Actually, the Preparatory
Secretariat is operated under the
Ministry of Foreign Affiars, not
Telecommunication authority. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In the meeting, the chief
officer told that he himself
thought much of the value of open
and multi-stakeholder process, but
they had to consider the position
of the countries (China, Russia
etc) which don't like
multistakeholderism. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After that, we, the coaliton of
civil society in Korea, invited a
staff of Preparatory Secretariat
as a panel in our public forum
last June, but we couldn't hear
nothing new from him. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Recently, I checked its
homepage and found with surprise
that anyone from civil society
could not invited as a panel. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seoulcyber2013.kr/en/program/speakers_1.html"
target="_blank">http://www.seoulcyber2013.kr/en/program/speakers_1.html</a></div>
<div>Moreover, I found that they
even restricted the participation
of the public. It was a closed
conference! When I tried to
register in the conference, I had
to request PIN first in the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://register.seoulcyber2013.kr/"
target="_blank">http://register.seoulcyber2013.kr/</a>,
but I couldn't receive a PIN. So I
called to the secretariat and ask
why. They said that PIN would be
given to the invited person. In
the case of who were not invited,
preparatory secretariat will
examine the person who requested
to particiapte and dicide whether
to allow participation or not. I
have no idea this was the
conventional practice in the
former cyberspace conference. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And, I wonder how do you think
about cyberspace conference, the
importance of the conference in
the context of global internet
governance. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best Regards,</div>
<div>Oh Byoungil </div>
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