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Dear all<br>
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I would like to propose that we do a letter from civil society
commending her on her speech. We could mention our support and
wishes for the Marco Civil, and, if we want, the multi-lateral vs.
multi-stakeholder question.<br>
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Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/09/2013 15:41, Gene Kimmelman
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<div dir="ltr">Having been in these situations in the U.S., I
fully understand the need to accept and fully embrace progress;
I do not want to interfere in what our Brazilian friends are
fully capable of handling, other than to say I fully support the
sentiment expressed by Joana and Carlos!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Joana
Varon <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Dear all, <br>
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I totally support Carlos Afonso's view. <br>
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One step at the time. <br>
<br>
What matters now is that Dilma has clearly mentioned
the CGI.br principles, including the support for net
neutrality. It means a LOT for our national scenario
and for years of fight to try to pass Marco Civil.
Meaning it wont be easy for telcos to take down net
neutrality provisions from the draft bill.<br>
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Even better, this all has happened right after she
opened a channel of communication/consulation with
CGI.br. That's THE dynamics for internet public
policies we dreamed about in Brazil. The issue on
using the word "multilateral" shall NOT be used to
loose the focus on this major achievement. <br>
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It is indeed an issue of concern. But it's not
actually something new. It has been highlighted in
several opportunities in the Brazilian positions at
ITU, held by Anatel, our regulatory agency. For
instance, in our previous opinion on the role of
States. Nevertheless, positions from our Ministry of
Foreign Affairs towards multistakeholderism are very
clear and positive. And now CGI.br has the door open
with the president to correct explain all the
important debate of multistakeholder approach on IG.
So we have opportunities to correct this schizophrenic
aspect and there is hope. <br>
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So, please, people, let's be positive and understand
that having the President referring to these principles
- an to Internet Policies - in the UNGA is not a minor
thing. I had the lucky to be in a panel at the Council
of Europe a few minutes after she delivered the speech
and managed to incorporate some of her quotes in my
presentation. The public got really impressed. <br>
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<div>all the best<br>
<br>
joana<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:28
PM, Carlos A. Afonso <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>></span>
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class="gmail_quote">Dear people,<br>
<br>
I am not sure we will go too far (although
philosophers can really be<br>
far-fetched in this exercise) in doing an exegesis
of her discourse. Let<br>
us see how the practice goes. The signs are good:
she entered the room<br>
to talk to us CGI.br folk with our 10 Principles in
hand and the first<br>
thing she told us was she agreed with them.<br>
<br>
She also mentioned the Marco Civil as proposed by
the rapporteur (result<br>
of a 4-year public dialogue) is the one she agrees
with (which is the<br>
one CGI.br formally supported), and was going to
fight for it, although<br>
recognizing that as bill of law transiting through
Congress it might<br>
suffer modifications which she might veto but
Congress could reverse and<br>
so on -- in summary, normal practice in a democratic
State. The big<br>
challenge now is the process in Congress, where the
transnational telcos<br>
and big media have enormous power.<br>
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frt rgds<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
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On 09/24/2013 09:58 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro
wrote:<br>
> the Steering Committee principle reads as
"Internet governance must be<br>
> exercised in a transparent, multilateral and
democratic manner, with the<br>
> participation of the various sectors of
society, thereby preserving and<br>
> encouraging its character as a collective
creation."<br>
><br>
> Her wording for the UNGA says: "Open,
multilateral and democratic<br>
> governance, carried out with transparency by
stimulating collective<br>
> creativity and the participation of society,
Governments and the private<br>
> sector."<br>
><br>
> My reading of that is that: (1) it does not
repeat the idea that Internet<br>
> governance as a collective creation and (2)
the first one defines Internet<br>
> governance as something "with the
participation of the various sectors of<br>
> society", and the second only mentions it
should be carried out with<br>
> stimuli for "the participation of society,
governments and the private<br>
> sector."<br>
><br>
> Can you see my point?<br>
> Em português o trem funciona do mesmo jeito.<br>
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> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Carolina
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>><br>
>> Via Renata Avila, segue discurso da Dilma
na UN.<br>
>> Coming from Renata Avila, see attached
Dilma draft speech at UN.<br>
>> C<br>
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