<div dir="ltr">Hi Michael,<div><br></div><div>This is David Sullivan from GNI. There is no shortage of civil society organizations (both GNI members and others) who are on these lists and have been very active in pushing for transparency on surveillance and will have their own responses to your question, but there are a couple of points I'd like to make. </div>

<div><br></div><div>First, from GNI's point of view these transparency reforms are a prerequisite to enable an informed debate about putting human rights at the center of communications surveillance regimes. As we said in our <a href="http://globalnetworkinitiative.org/news/transparency-national-security-and-protecting-rights-online">statement</a> back in June,<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"> "We view such transparency reforms as necessary first steps in examining whether domestic law adequately protects the rights to privacy and freedom of expression."</font></div>

<div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div>Secondly, our letters to the FOC governments complement the efforts of the coalition that CDT has <a href="https://www.cdt.org/pr_statement/cdt-brings-together-major-internet-companies-advocates-demand-more-transparency-around-">organized</a> of more than 60 companies, civil society organizations and other stakeholders who have made a similar ask of the US government. Already legislation has been introduced in response to that letter in both the House and Senate. Those bills have not slowed momentum toward substantive reform (momentum has been building in particular to address the bulk phone records programs), rather they complement and reinforce those efforts.  <br>

</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, yes there are definitely ways to "game the stats" in this realm where we need to be very careful. For what it's worth, GNI has been very careful to specify that both governments and companies should report not just on the number of requests they make/receive, but also the number of persons or accounts affected by those orders, to mitigate this concern. </div>

<div><br></div><div>All the best,</div><div>David </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br>David Sullivan<br>Policy and Communications Director<br><a href="http://www.globalnetworkinitiative.org/" target="_blank">Global Network Initiative</a><br>

Office: +1 202 741 5048<br>Mobile: +1 646 595 5373 <div>PGP: 0x60D244AA</div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/David_MSullivan" target="_blank">@David_MSullivan</a><br><div><font color="#888888"><br></font>GNI has moved, please note our new address:</div>

</div><div>1200 18th St. NW, Suite 602</div><div>Washington, DC 20036</div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:23 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="">

<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I know that pursuing this is a major pre-occupation of various US Internet corps (Google, Facebook etc.) and I can see that getting this made public might help them get off the hook a bit (look how few the requests given the number of users we have/items we process etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">What I don't understand is why civil society should be interested in this at all since there seem to be an almost infinite number of ways of gaming this (according to various Snowden documents i.e. one reqyest covering all communications between x and xxxistan for the month of January)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Surely CS is concerned with findings ways of managing these practices rather than getting better information on specific items of activity etc.etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">M<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in">

<p class=""><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carolina<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br>

<b>Subject:</b> [bestbits] Fwd: Taking the Transparency Push Global<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class=""><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class=""><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div>

<div><p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>Begin forwarded message:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b>From:</b> Global Network Initiative <<a href="mailto:info@globalnetworkinitiative.org" target="_blank">info@globalnetworkinitiative.org</a>><br>

<b>Date:</b> September 25, 2013, 11:31:28 AM EDT<br><b>To:</b> Carolina <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Taking the Transparency Push Global</b><br>

<b>Reply-To:</b> Global Network Initiative <<a href="mailto:info@globalnetworkinitiative.org" target="_blank">info@globalnetworkinitiative.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">

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