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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would support the emphasis upon Best Bits focusing on concrete proposals and things we can actually win..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.0pt;line-height:115%;text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#253741;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Andrew Puddephatt</span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>| </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#253741;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>GLOBAL PARTNERS</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#253741;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> DIGITAL<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:115%;text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#253741;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Executive Director</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#FF2126;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:115%;text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Development House, 56–64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>T: +44 (0)20 7549 0336 | M: +44 (0)771 339 9597 | Skype: andrewpuddephatt</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'><br><b>gp-digital.org</b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anja Kovacs<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 September 2013 20:49<br><b>To:</b> parminder<br><b>Cc:</b> <,bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>,<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] IGF plus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Parminder and all,<br><br>I wanted to chip in and share my thinking on two issues.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>1. I believe it is very important that the ITU and WSIS+10 are kept in the agenda as explicit, focused agenda items, and that we spend some time discussing and planning for the processes around them. To my mind, these are among the most important places where states at present are already trying to play out their views on enhanced cooperation in practice, with rather important consequences for civil society (I wrote about this earlier here:<a href="http://beta.internetdemocracy.in/2013/07/pawns-in-a-governments-game/" target="_blank">http://beta.internetdemocracy.in/2013/07/pawns-in-a-governments-game/</a>). In general, they are also two processes that are likely to have a real outcome for Internet governance. It is important that civil society is aware and informed, and that at least some of us are also closely involved (the ITU also happens to be the process around which Best Bits came into its own, and I think it would be foolish of us to now retreat from whatever little inroads or impact we have made).<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>2. The reason I proposed to Jeremy that we make the first day one long session (with perhaps a discussion of EC, ITU and WSIS in the morning and of multistakeholderism in the afternoon) is because I believe that the question of how we see multistakeholderism is sharpened by our engagements in these concrete policy fora and how we plan to move forward in them, while at the same time our engagement with these fora is of course also to some extent determined by the visions and views we have when we enter them. In that sense I think that by contextualising the discussion on MS within those debates, the chances that we move forward are far greater, if not in terms of coming to a joint position, then at least in terms of understanding we all take the positions that we take.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>One of the specific aims of Best Bits is that it should aid civil society not only in having important discussions, but also in getting concrete work done. By framing the agenda for our two days in Bali in the above manner, we can maximise our outcomes on both counts. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<br>Anja<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3 September 2013 22:27, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tuesday 03 September 2013 10:16 PM, parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Jeremy<br><br>My impression was that just a draft of the program has been put forward and it has still to go through discussions and approval of the group before finalisation.. Is my impression right?<br><br>On the presumption that it is yet only a draft - I really think we should have at least a full half session on what really is multistakeholderism. And that subject alone. I really am not sure what most people here think it is . There is this silence zone around its theory and practice. I have raised the question often. I think if there is one difference that groups like IT for Change have with many other groups in the IG space, it is about an understanding of MSism... And while there can be real political differences, I dont see why we should have such technical differences, just on the meaning and understanding of terms. Lets try to thrash it out forever. And we can start this discussion here itself, on this list. Importantly, I saw strong support on this list for a specific discussion on what is MSism. I think these views should be respected. <br><br>I also want the session on ITU plus WSIS 10 to rather on Public policy making on global IG.... The responses to questionaire issued by the WG on enhanced cooperation by ISOC, ICC, and many developing countries</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>sorry, i meant developed countries</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>cite OECD as one important place where global Internet policy making takes place. At least now can we take it that indeed a lot of Internet policy making takes place in OECD. (See the posting today on the IGC list declaring a project implementing - globally - some parts of the OECD Principles for Internet Policy Making). why do we only keep asking questions of UN based Internet policy processes, and not from places where some real policy making takes place.... We should discuss OECD's *global* Internet policy making processes as well. And if we want the IEG (Informal Experts Group) as the standard model by which ITU whould do its Internet related polciy work, why do we hesitate to tell OECD that it should use the same model, and none else.... What I suggesting here is - Name this session - Where does global Internet policy making take place, how, and what should CS do. <br><br>Thirdly, despite repeated appeals, I dont know why are we not ready to to name session three directly as NSA or Snowden issue (something stated a little better). The world thinks that global IG has changed forever because of what Snowden has told us about NSA.... That is not just the regular surveillance issue, that we have been talking in all IGFs and should keep doing. There is a clear Snowden impact on the global Internet - a huge impact. And we need to specifically discuss what this impact is, and how US has to be confronted in its (still largely unapologetic) global surveillance. That is a specific issue. And Again I saw great support for discussing this particular issue at length, but in the current draft this issue seem to be hidden as about one sixth of a session, that too without mentioning the main actors, NSA, US gov and Snowden. <br><br>thanks. parminder <br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Monday 02 September 2013 01:51 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 28/08/2013, at 3:17 AM, parminder <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Fully support this. Lets give one full day to this...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(Sorry for the delayed response, I've been travelling until my return to the office today.) We don't have one full day available for this at the Best Bits meeting, unless we take out other things that people want to do, but I've added this as a sub-item to the draft agenda for Bali for the Day 1 morning, under the rather broad heading "Global Internet governance principles, enhanced cooperation and the IGF".<br><br>Since you (and Valeria) are nominated as facilitators of that session, you can guide us in suggesting the appropriate emphasis between sub-topics for discussion. Most surely, we could spend a full week rather than two days if we were to cover everything in the depth it deserves.<br><br>I'll also follow up directly with the two of you (and the steering committee, and separately the other nominated facilitators) about this. Meanwhile I'm working on getting the registration system going, and Access are working on crowd funding for those who need support to participate.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: +60 3 7726 1599<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub |<a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone" target="_blank">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/" target="_blank">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#999999'>Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. 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