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<font face="Verdana">Let me add some points here....<br>
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It does not matter if we dont recognise OECD process as 'globally'
legitimate (of course I dont), the point remains that this
particular process is the most potent one right now in terms of
global Internet policy making. How can we simply turn our face
away from it. Its outputs are being sold/ pushed through
plurilateral and bilateral forums. The forthcomng Seoul Cyber
conference, of the lineage of the London Cyber conference, is the
kind of place where real work happens, and principles developed at
OECD etc are incorporated into meeting outcomes selectively taking
in concurrence of a selective wider set of countries - whose fears
and greedy hopes are continually played on.<br>
<br>
Whether the processes around OECD's CICCP are dense, or there are
civil society groups already involved (which as I suggested seem
to have different conceptions of multistakeholderism inside and
outside OCECD), does not make it an inappropriate subject for
BestBits.... <br>
<br>
Also remember that OECD model of global policy making has
traditionally been a big issue with developing countries. (It
recently played in the UN with regard to distribution of tax from
global commerce. Please see <a
href="http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/resurgence/2012/268/cover04.htm">this</a>.
) With Internet being essentially global, the default application
of OECD policies on a global scale is even more severe. This is an
important global issue that needs to be taken up. It is a
developing countries issue. <br>
<br>
Anja, no I have seen no discussion on OECD model of global policy
making in the IG space.... Yes, I do occasionally pose questions
but they are never responded to. Therefore the discussion is still
pending. and this is a good time to have it.<br>
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I also have a specific issue on the MS (multistakeholderism) model
that civil society pushes. Should we not be consistent across
different spaces with regard to our preferred model. I know I am
repeating this question.... I understand that </font><font
face="Verdana">the mandate of </font><font face="Verdana">OECD's
Committee for Computer, Information and Communication Policy is up
for renewal towards the end of 2013 (I may be wrong and can be
corrected). Would global civil society not want to propose that
this important site of global policy making becomes what it
considered as really multistakeholder.... Should we not write to
them about it, as we write to the ITU. <br>
<br>
So, the proposed concrete outcomes are as follows: <br>
<br>
Consequent to our discussion at the face to face meeting, we write
to the OECD;<br>
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(1) On substantive issues, that the OECD should not push the
policy framework that it produces as global ones, and if indeed it
sees the need of global policy frameworks it must develop them at
appropriate global forums<br>
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(2) On the process issue, that OECD's Internet policy mechanism,
ie CICCP, should adopt the multistakeholder model of policy
development that OECD countries advocate (along with civil
society) for global Internet policy forums. The proposed renewal
of CICCP's mandate in Dec 2013 is a good opportunity to do this. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 04 September 2013 06:22
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the absence of alternative sets of principles with any
degree of broad based support and given the political,
economic and technology signifiicance of the OECD countries
any position on something as significant as this
cannot/should not be ignored and particularly by a CS
concerned with global developments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Anja Kovacs<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2013 7:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeremy Malcolm<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Andrew Puddephatt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>; Valeria
Betancourt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> Bits<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] IGF plus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">For those
not living in a member state of the OECD, that process is
not necessarily one they would like get involved in
though, as that will only help to give credence to claims
that the OECD principles are 'global' ones. <br>
<br>
Which is one of the main reason swhy building a unified
approach on this at the next BB meeting will likely be
difficult: different groups and individuals just look at
that process in radically different ways. I agree that
more discussion would be valuable in fact (and would be
very eager to get more regular updates from those who are
involved), but don't think that at present, the Best Bits
meeting is the best place to do so.<br>
<br>
FYI: the Internet Democracy Project does not consider the
OECD or its principles as global in nature, and whenever
such a claim is made, we oppose this explicitly (as we do
when similar references are made to the Budapest
convention).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br>
Anja<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4 September 2013 17:51, Jeremy
Malcolm <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 04/09/2013, at 9:13 PM, Anja
Kovacs <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That was indeed what I had in
mind, Anriette, as well as linking more
theoretical discussions or discussions of
principles (which we do need to have at times)
to these specific mechanisms we are developing
and/or engaging in.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that is the problem with
the OECD: it is much less clear to me how we can
make this particular discussion a concrete and
outcome oriented one. I have seen the debate
about the OECD play out on various lists (even
if without resolution, I think a discussion has
been had), and don't yet see where there could
be common ground to move forward among the
varous stances that seem to exist on the OECD. <br>
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If there are any proposals in this regard, I
would of course be happy to hear them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The OECD has a rather dense set of
process of its own, which are covered a different
coalition, viz. CSISAC (though there is significant
cross membership with Best Bits). It is hard to
simply "dip your toes" into what goes on at the OECD,
and I don't suggest we try to do so. However better
reporting from CSISAC to its own members and broader
civil society is definitely needed (its website is two
years out of date, to start with), and something that
we are trying to make happen. As always, resource
constraints apply.<o:p></o:p></p>
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