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    <font face="Verdana">Let me add some points here....<br>
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      It does not matter if we dont recognise OECD process as 'globally'
      legitimate (of course I dont), the point remains that this
      particular process is the most potent one right now in terms of
      global Internet policy making. How can we simply turn our face
      away from it. Its outputs are being sold/ pushed through
      plurilateral and bilateral forums. The forthcomng Seoul Cyber
      conference, of the lineage of the London Cyber conference, is the
      kind of place where real work happens, and principles developed at
      OECD etc are incorporated into meeting outcomes selectively taking
      in concurrence of a selective wider set of countries - whose fears
      and greedy hopes are continually played on.<br>
      <br>
      Whether the processes around OECD's CICCP are dense, or there are
      civil society groups already involved (which as I suggested seem
      to have different conceptions of multistakeholderism inside and
      outside OCECD), does not make it an inappropriate subject for
      BestBits.... <br>
      <br>
      Also remember that OECD model of global policy making has
      traditionally been a big issue with developing countries. (It
      recently played in the UN with regard to distribution of tax from
      global commerce. Please see <a
        href="http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/resurgence/2012/268/cover04.htm">this</a>.
      )  With Internet being essentially global, the default application
      of OECD policies on a global scale is even more severe. This is an
      important global issue that needs to be taken up. It is a
      developing countries issue. <br>
      <br>
      Anja, no I have seen no discussion on OECD model of global policy
      making in the IG space.... Yes, I do occasionally pose questions
      but they are never responded to. Therefore the discussion is still
      pending. and this is a good time to have it.<br>
      <br>
      I also have a specific issue on the MS (multistakeholderism) model
      that civil society pushes. Should we not be consistent across
      different spaces with regard to our preferred model. I know I am
      repeating this question.... I understand that </font><font
      face="Verdana">the mandate of </font><font face="Verdana">OECD's 
      Committee for Computer, Information and Communication Policy is up
      for renewal towards the end of 2013 (I may be wrong and can be
      corrected). Would global civil society not want to propose that
      this important site of global policy making becomes what it
      considered as really multistakeholder.... Should we not write to
      them about it, as we write to the ITU. <br>
      <br>
      So, the proposed concrete outcomes are as follows: <br>
      <br>
      Consequent to our discussion at the face to face meeting, we write
      to the OECD;<br>
      <br>
      (1) On substantive issues, that the OECD should not push the
      policy framework that it produces as global ones, and if indeed it
      sees the need of global policy frameworks it must develop them at
      appropriate global forums<br>
      <br>
      (2) On the process issue, that OECD's Internet policy mechanism,
      ie CICCP, should adopt the multistakeholder model of policy
      development that OECD countries advocate (along with civil
      society) for global Internet policy forums. The proposed renewal
      of CICCP's mandate in Dec 2013 is a good opportunity to do this. <br>
      <br>
      parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 04 September 2013 06:22
      PM, michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anja
            and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
            the absence of alternative sets of principles with any
            degree of broad based support and given the political,
            economic and technology signifiicance of the OECD countries
            any position on something as significant as this
            cannot/should not be ignored and particularly by a CS
            concerned with global developments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
              Of </b>Anja Kovacs<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2013 7:32 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Jeremy Malcolm<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Andrew Puddephatt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>; Valeria
            Betancourt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> Bits<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] IGF plus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">For those
              not living in a member state of the OECD, that process is
              not necessarily one they would like get involved in
              though, as that will only help to give credence to claims
              that the OECD principles are 'global' ones. <br>
              <br>
              Which is one of the main reason swhy building a unified
              approach on this at the next BB meeting will likely be
              difficult: different groups and individuals just look at
              that process in radically different ways. I agree that
              more discussion would be valuable in fact (and would be
              very eager to get more regular updates from those who are
              involved), but don't think that at present, the Best Bits
              meeting is the best place to do so.<br>
              <br>
              FYI: the Internet Democracy Project does not consider the
              OECD or its principles as global in nature, and whenever
              such a claim is made, we oppose this explicitly (as we do
              when similar references are made to the Budapest
              convention).<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br>
            Anja<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 4 September 2013 17:51, Jeremy
              Malcolm <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 04/09/2013, at 9:13 PM, Anja
                      Kovacs <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in"
                        target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">That was indeed what I had in
                        mind, Anriette, as well as linking more
                        theoretical discussions or discussions of
                        principles (which we do need to have at times)
                        to these specific mechanisms we are developing
                        and/or engaging in.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">And that is the problem with
                        the OECD: it is much less clear to me how we can
                        make this particular discussion a concrete and
                        outcome oriented one. I have seen the debate
                        about the OECD play out on various lists (even
                        if without resolution, I think a discussion has
                        been had), and don't yet see where there could
                        be common ground to move forward among the
                        varous stances that seem to exist on the OECD. <br>
                        <br>
                        If there are any proposals in this regard, I
                        would of course be happy to hear them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">The OECD has a rather dense set of
                  process of its own, which are covered a different
                  coalition, viz. CSISAC (though there is significant
                  cross membership with Best Bits).  It is hard to
                  simply "dip your toes" into what goes on at the OECD,
                  and I don't suggest we try to do so.  However better
                  reporting from CSISAC to its own members and broader
                  civil society is definitely needed (its website is two
                  years out of date, to start with), and something that
                  we are trying to make happen.  As always, resource
                  constraints apply.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            -- <br>
            Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
            The Internet Democracy Project<br>
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            +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br>
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