<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Dear Parminder and all,<br><br>I wanted to chip in and share my thinking on two issues.<br><br></div>1.
I believe it is very important that the ITU and WSIS+10 are kept in the
agenda as explicit, focused agenda items, and that we spend some time
discussing and planning for the processes around them. To my mind, these
are among the most important places where states at present are already
trying to play out their views on enhanced cooperation in practice,
with rather important consequences for civil society (I wrote about this
earlier here:<a href="http://beta.internetdemocracy.in/2013/07/pawns-in-a-governments-game/" target="_blank">http://beta.internetdemocracy.in/2013/07/pawns-in-a-governments-game/</a>). In general, they are also two processes that are likely to have a real outcome for Internet governance. It is important that civil society is aware and informed, and that at least some of us are also closely involved (the ITU also happens to be the process around which Best Bits came into its own, and I think it would be foolish of us to now retreat from whatever little inroads or impact we have made).<br>
<br></div>2. The reason I proposed to Jeremy that we make the first day one long session (with perhaps a discussion of EC, ITU and WSIS in the morning and of multistakeholderism in the afternoon) is because I believe that the question of how we see multistakeholderism is sharpened by our engagements in these concrete policy fora and how we plan to move forward in them, while at the same time our engagement with these fora is of course also to some extent determined by the visions and views we have when we enter them. In that sense I think that by contextualising the discussion on MS within those debates, the chances that we move forward are far greater, if not in terms of coming to a joint position, then at least in terms of understanding we all take the positions that we take.<br>
<br></div>One of the specific aims of Best Bits is that it should aid civil society not only in having important discussions, but also in getting concrete work done. By framing the agenda for our two days in Bali in the above manner, we can maximise our outcomes on both counts. <br>
<br></div>Best regards,<br>Anja<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 September 2013 22:27, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Tuesday 03 September 2013 10:16 PM,
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My impression was that just a draft of </font><font face="Verdana">the program</font><font face="Verdana"> has been
put forward and it has still to go through discussions and
approval of the group before finalisation.. Is my impression
right?<br>
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On the presumption that it is yet only a draft - I really think
we should have at least a full half session on what really is
multistakeholderism. And that subject alone. I really am not
sure what most people here think it is . There is this silence
zone around its theory and practice. I have raised the question
often. I think if there is one difference that groups like IT
for Change have with many other groups in the IG space, it is
about an understanding of MSism... And while there can be real
political differences, I dont see why we should have such
technical differences, just on the meaning and understanding of
terms. Lets try to thrash it out forever. And we can start this
discussion here itself, on this list. Importantly, I saw strong
support on this list for a specific discussion on what is MSism.
I think these views should be respected. <br>
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I also want the session on ITU plus WSIS 10 to rather on Public
policy making on global IG.... The responses to questionaire
issued by the WG on enhanced cooperation by ISOC, ICC, and many
developing countries</font></blockquote>
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</div><font face="Verdana">sorry, i meant developed countries<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Verdana"> cite OECD as one important place where global
Internet policy making takes place. At least now can we take it
that indeed a lot of Internet policy making takes place in OECD.
(See the posting today on the IGC list declaring a project
implementing - globally - some parts of the OECD Principles for
Internet Policy Making). why do we only keep asking questions of
UN based Internet policy processes, and not from places where
some real policy making takes place.... We should discuss OECD's
*global* Internet policy making processes as well. And if we
want the IEG (Informal Experts Group) as the standard model by
which ITU whould do its Internet related polciy work, why do we
hesitate to tell OECD that it should use the same model, and
none else.... What I suggesting here is - Name this session -
Where does global Internet policy making take place, how, and
what should CS do. <br>
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Thirdly, despite repeated appeals, I dont know why are we not
ready to to name session three directly as NSA or Snowden issue
(something stated a little better). The world thinks that global
IG has changed forever because of what Snowden has told us about
NSA.... That is not just the regular surveillance issue, that we
have been talking in all IGFs and should keep doing. There is a
clear Snowden impact on the global Internet - a huge impact. And
we need to specifically discuss what this impact is, and how US
has to be confronted in its (still largely unapologetic) global
surveillance. That is a specific issue. And Again I saw great
support for discussing this particular issue at length, but in
the current draft this issue seem to be hidden as about one
sixth of a session, that too without mentioning the main actors,
NSA, US gov and Snowden. <br>
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thanks. parminder <br>
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<div>On 28/08/2013, at 3:17 AM, parminder <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>
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support this. Lets give one full day to this...<br>
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<div>(Sorry for the delayed
response, I've been travelling until my return to the office
today.) We don't have one full day available for this at
the Best Bits meeting, unless we take out other things that
people want to do, but I've added this as a sub-item to the
draft agenda for Bali for the Day 1 morning, under the
rather broad heading "Global Internet governance principles,
enhanced cooperation and the IGF".<br>
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Since you (and Valeria) are nominated as facilitators of
that session, you can guide us in suggesting the appropriate
emphasis between sub-topics for discussion. Most surely, we
could spend a full week rather than two days if we were to
cover everything in the depth it deserves.<br>
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I'll also follow up directly with the two of you (and the
steering committee, and separately the other nominated
facilitators) about this. Meanwhile I'm working on getting
the registration system going, and Access are working on
crowd funding for those who need support to participate.<br>
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