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    <font face="Verdana">Jeremy<br>
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      My impression was that just a draft of </font><font
      face="Verdana">the program</font><font face="Verdana"> has been
      put forward and it has still to go through discussions and
      approval of the group before finalisation.. Is my impression right?<br>
      <br>
      On the presumption that it is yet only a draft - I really  think
      we should have at least a full half session on what really is
      multistakeholderism. And that subject alone. I really am not sure
      what most people here think it is . There is this silence zone
      around its theory and practice. I have raised the question often.
      I think if there is one difference that groups like IT for Change
      have with many other groups in the IG space, it is about an
      understanding of MSism... And while there can be real political
      differences, I dont see why we should have such technical
      differences, just on the meaning and understanding of terms. Lets
      try to thrash it out forever. And we can start this discussion
      here itself, on this list. Importantly, I saw strong support on
      this list for a specific discussion on what is MSism. I think
      these views should be respected. <br>
      <br>
      I also want the session on ITU plus WSIS 10 to rather on Public
      policy making on global IG.... The responses to questionaire
      issued by the WG on enhanced cooperation by ISOC, ICC, and many
      developing countries cite OECD as one important place where global
      Internet policy making takes place. At least now can we take it
      that indeed a lot of Internet policy making takes place in OECD.
      (See the posting today on the IGC list declaring a project
      implementing - globally - some parts of the OECD Principles for
      Internet Policy Making). why do we only keep asking questions of
      UN based Internet policy processes, and not from places where some
      real policy making takes place.... We should discuss OECD's
      *global* Internet policy making processes as well. And if we want
      the IEG (Informal Experts Group) as the standard model by which
      ITU whould do its Internet related polciy work, why do we hesitate
      to tell OECD that it should use the same model, and none else....
      What I suggesting here is - Name this session - Where does global
      Internet policy making take place, how, and what should CS do. <br>
      <br>
      Thirdly, despite repeated appeals, I dont know why are we not
      ready to to name session three directly as NSA or Snowden issue
      (something stated a little better). The world thinks that global
      IG has changed forever because of what Snowden has told us about
      NSA.... That is not just the regular surveillance issue, that we
      have been talking in all IGFs and should keep doing. There is a
      clear Snowden impact on the global Internet - a huge impact. And
      we need to specifically discuss what this impact is, and how US
      has to be confronted in its (still largely unapologetic) global
      surveillance. That is a specific issue. And Again I saw great
      support for discussing this particular issue at length, but in the
      current draft this issue seem to be hidden as about one sixth of a
      session, that too without mentioning the main actors, NSA, US gov
      and Snowden. <br>
      <br>
      thanks. parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 02 September 2013 01:51 PM,
      Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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        <div>On 28/08/2013, at 3:17 AM, parminder <a
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">Fully

              support this. Lets give one full day to this...<br>
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        <div class="AppleOriginalContents">(Sorry for the delayed
          response, I've been travelling until my return to the office
          today.)  We don't have one full day available for this at the
          Best Bits meeting, unless we take out other things that people
          want to do, but I've added this as a sub-item to the draft
          agenda for Bali for the Day 1 morning, under the rather broad
          heading "Global Internet governance principles, enhanced
          cooperation and the IGF".<br>
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          Since you (and Valeria) are nominated as facilitators of that
          session, you can guide us in suggesting the appropriate
          emphasis between sub-topics for discussion.  Most surely, we
          could spend a full week rather than two days if we were to
          cover everything in the depth it deserves.<br>
          <br>
          I'll also follow up directly with the two of you (and the
          steering committee, and separately the other nominated
          facilitators) about this.  Meanwhile I'm working on getting
          the registration system going, and Access are working on crowd
          funding for those who need support to participate.<br>
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