<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >I like Parminder's suggestion<br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: parminder <parminder@itforchange.net> <br>Date:  <br>To: bestbits@lists.bestbits.net <br>Subject: Re: [bestbits] Important new joint submission to CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation <br> <br><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 24 August 2013 12:04 PM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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      That's fine by me,  but also willing to describe tyrannical
      regimes simply as regimes that have no respect for human rights
      principles. <br>
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    also, instead of calling the UN as haven for such regime,  better to
    say being prone to be influenced by..... or 'the membership
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      -------- Original message --------<br>
      From: Jeremy Malcolm <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org"><jeremy@ciroap.org></a> <br>
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      To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> <br>
      Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> <br>
      Subject: Re: [bestbits] Important new joint submission to CSTD
      Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation <br>
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        <div>On 23/08/2013, at 7:16 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a>
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          <div>I hope we will reconsider use of the word tyrannical to
            describe any regime or action.  If our goal is to make a
            strong statement and express some kind of parallelism
            between vastly different countries,  it may be more
            effective to use a less provocative word. 
            <div>Maybe something that conveys disrespect for human
              rights principles? </div>
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      <div>Thanks for this feedback.  Would it be OK if we just delete
        the second "tyrannical" leaving it as follows:</div>
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      <div><span class="">"And whilst the UN is characterised by some as
          being a haven for tyrranical regimes, the United States itself
          is widely criticised as having infringed global human rights
          norms through its global surveillance practices, and for its
          pursuit of whistleblowers such as Edward Snowden for exposing
          such practices."</span></div>
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