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Dear all (copying WebWeWant and IRP to keep everyone in the same
loop)<br>
<br>
I had quick consult with Deborah Brown and while there are pros and
cons to delaying, it seems that strong sign-on from a large number
of organisations is very important. So I would also be happy for us
go for Monday unless there are strong suggestions to the contrary.
It also seems as if the exact delivery channel has not yet been
figured out yet. I think it would make sense for someone based in
Washington DC to do the handing over personally on our behalf. That
would be FreePress, CDT, HRW... correct?<br>
<br>
For those who might not have it handy, the letter is being developed
here:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/your_name_here">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/your_name_here</a><br>
<br>
Discussion of the contents is taking place on
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
<br>
I suggest we let Jeremy Malcolm decide when and how to deal with the
final tidying up. Jeremy, you have lots of volunteers to help with
that.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 13/06/2013 16:16, Carolina Rossini wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> I like parminder suggestions on
non-US citizens.<br>
><br>
> I also agree with suggestion on delivering this on Monday.<br>
><br>
> Who could take a final look for style and grammar? Much of it
was lost<br>
> during the editing process. I can try, but it would be better
if a native<br>
> english speaker take the lead on the final round.<br>
><br>
> Carol<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:08 AM, parminder
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> The statement has turned out well. However, I remain
concerned about the<br>
>> fact that the issue of non citizens related content
surveillance has not at<br>
>> all been addressed by the US authorities. They havent
bothered to say a<br>
>> word on it (not that it is easily defensible). I would
like the group to<br>
>> consider adding the following paragraph somewhere......<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> "We are extremely disappointed that, in all the post
'disclosures'<br>
>> statements, US authorities have only insisted that there
was no access<br>
>> obtained to content related to *US citizens*, and just
their<br>
>> communication meta-data was collected. There has not
been a word on the<br>
>> issue of large-scale access to content related to non US
citizens, which is<br>
>> a violation of their human rights. The focussing of the
US authorities on<br>
>> the difference between treatment of US citizens and
non-citizens on an<br>
>> issue which essentially relates to violation of human
rights is very<br>
>> problematic. Human rights are universal, and every
government must refrain<br>
>> from violating them for all people, and not merely for
its citizens. The<br>
>> current and future US law and practices on this matter
should take note of<br>
>> this. "<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I still have issues with the role of the involved
companies, which I<br>
>> will address in a separate email. I am fine though to
address them<br>
>> separately, through a possible second statement.<br>
>><br>
>> Meanwhile the second sentence in the following somehow
looks not quite<br>
>> right.<br>
>><br>
>> "The introduction of untargeted surveillance mechanisms
at the heart of<br>
>> global digital communications severely threatens human
rights in the<br>
>> digital age. *These new forms of decentralized power
reflect fundamental<br>
>> shifts in the structure of information systems in modern
societies**.*[3] and<br>
>> aAny step in this direction needs to be scrutinized
through ample, deep<br>
>> and transparent debate. Interference with the human
rights of citizens by<br>
>> any government, their own or foreign, is unacceptable."<br>
>><br>
>> What is being referred to as a 'form of decentralised
power'? From the<br>
>> reference I take it, it is about 'arab spring' kind of
people's power, but<br>
>> that doesnt look clear from the way the sentence is
wedged between the<br>
>> other two sentences...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> parminder<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thursday 13 June 2013 05:11 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Also, in response to Parminder's questions: while we had
agreed from the<br>
>> beginning that the focus of this particular statement
would be the US<br>
>> Congress, I feel (and I just reread it to check) that it
does foreground<br>
>> the concerns of non-US citizens/resident (as it was meant
to do in my<br>
>> reading as well). Parminder, do you really feel that
doesn't come out at<br>
>> all? In that case, we do have some more work to do....<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 13 June 2013 16:28, Anja Kovacs
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in"><anja@internetdemocracy.in></a> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Anriette, is there a strong reason why you feel we
should release this<br>
>>> tomorrow already? My inclination would be to agree
with Nnenna and others<br>
>>> and to wait until Monday, but would be keen to know
why you feel tomorrow<br>
>>> is a better idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 13 June 2013 14:37, Nnenna Nwakanma
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com"><nnenna75@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi people<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I will say submit on Monday. When you kick off
the week with it, you<br>
>>>> will have ample time to rave up media attention
on it..<br>
>>>> I am hoping Mandela does not give up the fight..
because that will<br>
>>>> overshadow any other Internet news...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I am booked for the very first Africa Internet
Summit in Lusaka next<br>
>>>> week. I do hope to be able to draw attention to
the statement, as well as<br>
>>>> some that have been made by Best Bits.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best of the day..<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Nnenna<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Anriette
Esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"><anriette@apc.org></a>wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>></span><br>
<blockquote type="cite">Greetings everyone<br>
<br>
Content is coming along well.<br>
<br>
Jeremy, in response to your question, what about giving people
until<br>
21h00 GMT/UTC today, Thursday. Then you can close the text,
finalise it,<br>
and release for sign-ons and give people until 16h00 GMT/UTC
Friday for<br>
sign ons and then we can send it off before the end of the
business day<br>
in Washington DC (will be 12h00 in DC).<br>
<br>
That will accommodate Parminder's request, but still enable us to
get<br>
enough sign ons and get the letter to Washington DC on Friday.
Only<br>
region that will have a shortish period for sign ons will be the<br>
Americas.<br>
<br>
Will this work?<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
<br>
<br>
On 13/06/2013 08:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<span style="white-space: pre;">>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
>>> The Internet Democracy Project<br>
>>><br>
>>> +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
>> The Internet Democracy Project<br>
>><br>
>> +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
></span><br>
<br>
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anriette esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a><br>
executive director, association for progressive communications<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.apc.org">www.apc.org</a><br>
po box 29755, melville 2109<br>
south africa<br>
tel/fax +27 11 726 1692<br>
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